RazR 1/28 micro 4wd tc
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RazR 1/28 micro 4wd tc
I was just surfing ebay and found this little car. It looks like a lot of fun. Anyone heard anything about these yet? Nothing comes up in the search so far...
[link=http://cgi.ebay.com/RazR-4WD-Mini-Z-brushless-competition-onroad-racer_W0QQitemZ330296731708QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadi o_Control_Vehicles?hash=item330296731708&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A2%7C 240%3A1308]RazR 1/28[/link]
[link=http://cgi.ebay.com/RazR-4WD-Mini-Z-brushless-competition-onroad-racer_W0QQitemZ330296731708QQcmdZViewItemQQptZRadi o_Control_Vehicles?hash=item330296731708&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A2%7C 240%3A1308]RazR 1/28[/link]
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RE: RazR 1/28 micro 4wd tc
NO, Don't waste your money on that! It doesn't even have shocks. How would you replace any of the parts if they ever broke and by the looks of things I wouldn't trust any of those electronics.
Why not just get a Micro-T for $79 and spend the rest on upgrading it and a few Lipos for it?
Why not just get a Micro-T for $79 and spend the rest on upgrading it and a few Lipos for it?
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RE: RazR 1/28 micro 4wd tc
> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7le0NIb_IPU
Interesting but not sure if the promo video was in realtime or not (looks time stretched for speed).
Interesting but not sure if the promo video was in realtime or not (looks time stretched for speed).
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RE: RazR 1/28 micro 4wd tc
ORIGINAL: RC_Heli
NO, Don't waste your money on that! It doesn't even have shocks. How would you replace any of the parts if they ever broke and by the looks of things I wouldn't trust any of those electronics.
Why not just get a Micro-T for $79 and spend the rest on upgrading it and a few Lipos for it?
NO, Don't waste your money on that! It doesn't even have shocks. How would you replace any of the parts if they ever broke and by the looks of things I wouldn't trust any of those electronics.
Why not just get a Micro-T for $79 and spend the rest on upgrading it and a few Lipos for it?
Micro-ts are aimed at a different market, it's completely pointless bringing them up in a thread about a mini-Z rival, this or a mini-z would destroy a micro-t on a carpet track. A decent brushless mini-z will cost you a bomb to build, in comparison to that these are actually very cheap.
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RE: RazR 1/28 micro 4wd tc
ORIGINAL: Lilredmachine
Actually, it looks to have 4 wheel independant suspension. Anything that isn't carbon fibre is 6061 alloy (including the ball diffs), so the chances of breaking anything are slim at this weight. All electronics are standard size in terms of availability, no special sizes or fitments required. Motor looks to be a feigao or similar, micro servo, little speed control, it's kind of cute.
Micro-ts are aimed at a different market, it's completely pointless bringing them up in a thread about a mini-Z rival, this or a mini-z would destroy a micro-t on a carpet track. A decent brushless mini-z will cost you a bomb to build, in comparison to that these are actually very cheap.
ORIGINAL: RC_Heli
NO, Don't waste your money on that! It doesn't even have shocks. How would you replace any of the parts if they ever broke and by the looks of things I wouldn't trust any of those electronics.
Why not just get a Micro-T for $79 and spend the rest on upgrading it and a few Lipos for it?
NO, Don't waste your money on that! It doesn't even have shocks. How would you replace any of the parts if they ever broke and by the looks of things I wouldn't trust any of those electronics.
Why not just get a Micro-T for $79 and spend the rest on upgrading it and a few Lipos for it?
Micro-ts are aimed at a different market, it's completely pointless bringing them up in a thread about a mini-Z rival, this or a mini-z would destroy a micro-t on a carpet track. A decent brushless mini-z will cost you a bomb to build, in comparison to that these are actually very cheap.
First off, I think your over thinking this thread a bit.
Secondly, If you want to endorse this ebay clone piece of crap go ahead..
I will only give what I believe to be good advice to fellow members.
And with that being said I still stand behind what I said, Not to buy this car.
All you have done is pick apart what I have said with no reasoning.
You have not giving the thread starter any advice what so ever and
by the sounds of it, obviously it would have been bad advice anyways.
How long have you been in this hobby? Saying that this car has a slim chance of
breaking just by looking at a photo and reading some specs has the sounds
of an inexperienced hobbyist written all over it.
Again I will stand behind what I said, I do NOT trust no-name electronics and
there for I can't advise a fellow member to purchase or trust them either.
You are killing me with the independent suspension comment. This also
must have been hard for you to swallow when you where typing it.
Since when did springs alone constitute as suspension in this hobby?
You where correct about one thing. I should have suggested an alternative 1/28 scale
touring car. Not a 1/36th scale stadium truck. Man what was I thinking.
That was just horrible advice on my part and I apologize, sorry.
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It's RCU, get used to it mate.
And what, precisely, is this a piece of crap clone of? Can you point me in the direction of the thing it is copying? Nope, because it isn't copying anything. It's the only production ARTR brushless 1/28th tourer in the world, and it's actual retail price tops out at over $300, hardly a cheap copy now is it?
Are you going to back up anything you say, rather than just fly off the handle and do exactly as I have by forming an opinion on it because you have seen a few pictures of it? Are you also an inexperienced hobbyist? Incidentally I have been racing and building cars longer than you have, when I was racing Mardave V12 chassis cars and my Tomy Intruder back in the mid 90s what were you doing?
And have the properties of materials in this world suddenly changed? Has carbon fibre suddenly become weak and heavy? Will the stock ball bearings grind like they've been left on the beach for 3 years before being fitted? Will 6061 alloy bend like piano wire, especially under the mighty forces that will be placed on it by this tiny vehicle weighing all of (guestimation) 100g? All because this product is on e-bay too, well what will there be next? Diamonds that shatter when you drop them?
I happen to have quite a lot of experience with mini-zs and assorted other micro cars. And yes, what you see on this car, at this scale, passes for suspension. If you actually went and looked at the market leader cars in 1/28th, the kyosho mini-Z (I've attached a picture of it for your benefit, because obviously, you've never seen a car at this scale before), you would see that what you see on the RazR is pretty much par for the course. No dampers, just springs and shafts, the fact it has 4 wheel independant suspension is impressive at this scale. You'll also note that the Mini-z AWD is a far bulkier, more plasticky car that takes AA batteries rather than lipo, has a brainboard rather than separate ESC, servo and receiver and you'll still pay $160 for the priviledge of owning one.
And also, yes, I noted that the thread starter had asked about the car, he did not say he was going to buy one. And well done on your part for suggesting the Micro-T. What next, will you be wondering into the on road forum and suggesting to someone looking for a FWD chassis that they should buy a Stampede VXL? Just because it's a smaller scale it doesn't make it any less stupid.
And what, precisely, is this a piece of crap clone of? Can you point me in the direction of the thing it is copying? Nope, because it isn't copying anything. It's the only production ARTR brushless 1/28th tourer in the world, and it's actual retail price tops out at over $300, hardly a cheap copy now is it?
Are you going to back up anything you say, rather than just fly off the handle and do exactly as I have by forming an opinion on it because you have seen a few pictures of it? Are you also an inexperienced hobbyist? Incidentally I have been racing and building cars longer than you have, when I was racing Mardave V12 chassis cars and my Tomy Intruder back in the mid 90s what were you doing?
And have the properties of materials in this world suddenly changed? Has carbon fibre suddenly become weak and heavy? Will the stock ball bearings grind like they've been left on the beach for 3 years before being fitted? Will 6061 alloy bend like piano wire, especially under the mighty forces that will be placed on it by this tiny vehicle weighing all of (guestimation) 100g? All because this product is on e-bay too, well what will there be next? Diamonds that shatter when you drop them?
I happen to have quite a lot of experience with mini-zs and assorted other micro cars. And yes, what you see on this car, at this scale, passes for suspension. If you actually went and looked at the market leader cars in 1/28th, the kyosho mini-Z (I've attached a picture of it for your benefit, because obviously, you've never seen a car at this scale before), you would see that what you see on the RazR is pretty much par for the course. No dampers, just springs and shafts, the fact it has 4 wheel independant suspension is impressive at this scale. You'll also note that the Mini-z AWD is a far bulkier, more plasticky car that takes AA batteries rather than lipo, has a brainboard rather than separate ESC, servo and receiver and you'll still pay $160 for the priviledge of owning one.
And also, yes, I noted that the thread starter had asked about the car, he did not say he was going to buy one. And well done on your part for suggesting the Micro-T. What next, will you be wondering into the on road forum and suggesting to someone looking for a FWD chassis that they should buy a Stampede VXL? Just because it's a smaller scale it doesn't make it any less stupid.
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I would be worried about that carbon fiber bumper breaking. As carbon fiber (well the epoxy resin) is brittle.
Also, diamond can be broke with a hammer. Its very hard but its not overly tough.
Also, diamond can be broke with a hammer. Its very hard but its not overly tough.
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It's RCU, get used to it mate.
And what, precisely, is this a piece of crap clone of? Can you point me in the direction of the thing it is copying? Nope, because it isn't copying anything. It's the only production ARTR brushless 1/28th tourer in the world, and it's actual retail price tops out at over $300, hardly a cheap copy now is it?
Are you going to back up anything you say, rather than just fly off the handle and do exactly as I have by forming an opinion on it because you have seen a few pictures of it? Are you also an inexperienced hobbyist? Incidentally I have been racing and building cars longer than you have, when I was racing Mardave V12 chassis cars and my Tomy Intruder back in the mid 90s what were you doing?
And have the properties of materials in this world suddenly changed? Has carbon fibre suddenly become weak and heavy? Will the stock ball bearings grind like they've been left on the beach for 3 years before being fitted? Will 6061 alloy bend like piano wire, especially under the mighty forces that will be placed on it by this tiny vehicle weighing all of (guestimation) 100g? All because this product is on e-bay too, well what will there be next? Diamonds that shatter when you drop them?
I happen to have quite a lot of experience with mini-zs and assorted other micro cars. And yes, what you see on this car, at this scale, passes for suspension. If you actually went and looked at the market leader cars in 1/28th, the kyosho mini-Z (I've attached a picture of it for your benefit, because obviously, you've never seen a car at this scale before), you would see that what you see on the RazR is pretty much par for the course. No dampers, just springs and shafts, the fact it has 4 wheel independant suspension is impressive at this scale. You'll also note that the Mini-z AWD is a far bulkier, more plasticky car that takes AA batteries rather than lipo, has a brainboard rather than separate ESC, servo and receiver and you'll still pay $160 for the priviledge of owning one.
And also, yes, I noted that the thread starter had asked about the car, he did not say he was going to buy one. And well done on your part for suggesting the Micro-T. What next, will you be wondering into the on road forum and suggesting to someone looking for a FWD chassis that they should buy a Stampede VXL? Just because it's a smaller scale it doesn't make it any less stupid.
It's RCU, get used to it mate.
And what, precisely, is this a piece of crap clone of? Can you point me in the direction of the thing it is copying? Nope, because it isn't copying anything. It's the only production ARTR brushless 1/28th tourer in the world, and it's actual retail price tops out at over $300, hardly a cheap copy now is it?
Are you going to back up anything you say, rather than just fly off the handle and do exactly as I have by forming an opinion on it because you have seen a few pictures of it? Are you also an inexperienced hobbyist? Incidentally I have been racing and building cars longer than you have, when I was racing Mardave V12 chassis cars and my Tomy Intruder back in the mid 90s what were you doing?
And have the properties of materials in this world suddenly changed? Has carbon fibre suddenly become weak and heavy? Will the stock ball bearings grind like they've been left on the beach for 3 years before being fitted? Will 6061 alloy bend like piano wire, especially under the mighty forces that will be placed on it by this tiny vehicle weighing all of (guestimation) 100g? All because this product is on e-bay too, well what will there be next? Diamonds that shatter when you drop them?
I happen to have quite a lot of experience with mini-zs and assorted other micro cars. And yes, what you see on this car, at this scale, passes for suspension. If you actually went and looked at the market leader cars in 1/28th, the kyosho mini-Z (I've attached a picture of it for your benefit, because obviously, you've never seen a car at this scale before), you would see that what you see on the RazR is pretty much par for the course. No dampers, just springs and shafts, the fact it has 4 wheel independant suspension is impressive at this scale. You'll also note that the Mini-z AWD is a far bulkier, more plasticky car that takes AA batteries rather than lipo, has a brainboard rather than separate ESC, servo and receiver and you'll still pay $160 for the priviledge of owning one.
And also, yes, I noted that the thread starter had asked about the car, he did not say he was going to buy one. And well done on your part for suggesting the Micro-T. What next, will you be wondering into the on road forum and suggesting to someone looking for a FWD chassis that they should buy a Stampede VXL? Just because it's a smaller scale it doesn't make it any less stupid.
That car is a piece of crap and I don't suggest anyone to buy it.
The amount of money they are making off that low grade, low quality materials and electronics is robbery.
You would probable be better off finding an alternative.
Am I right or am I wrong?
Here I can attach images too.....
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Where's the link to this thing? I might want to try it out. It looks like it could be pretty cool. I started with a brand called Exceed. Talk about a knock off. Anyway, I still have it, I have upgraded it, and it is still a lot of fun. I probably won't get rid of it. Although, I don't compete much aside from 1/18 scale "offroad" carpet, so my opinion is "who cares if it's not a brand name?". If it's cheap and it breaks...ole well
...at least you tried it.
. Anyway, I still have it, I have upgraded it, and it is still a lot of fun. I probably won't get rid of it. Although, I don't compete much aside from 1/18 scale "offroad" carpet, so my opinion is "who cares if it's not a brand name?". If it's cheap and it breaks...ole well ...at least you tried it.
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ORIGINAL: str8.krooked
Where's the link to this thing? I might want to try it out. It looks like it could be pretty cool. I started with a brand called Exceed. Talk about a knock off. Anyway, I still have it, I have upgraded it, and it is still a lot of fun. I probably won't get rid of it. Although, I don't compete much aside from 1/18 scale "offroad" carpet, so my opinion is "who cares if it's not a brand name?". If it's cheap and it breaks...ole well ...at least you tried it.
Where's the link to this thing? I might want to try it out. It looks like it could be pretty cool. I started with a brand called Exceed. Talk about a knock off
. Anyway, I still have it, I have upgraded it, and it is still a lot of fun. I probably won't get rid of it. Although, I don't compete much aside from 1/18 scale "offroad" carpet, so my opinion is "who cares if it's not a brand name?". If it's cheap and it breaks...ole well ...at least you tried it.
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RE: RazR 1/28 micro 4wd tc
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I was just surfing ebay and found this little car. It looks like a lot of fun. Anyone heard anything about these yet? Nothing comes up in the search so far...
I was just surfing ebay and found this little car. It looks like a lot of fun. Anyone heard anything about these yet? Nothing comes up in the search so far...
They want $219 [:@] plus shipping.
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RC_heli. You just got owned and are now making pathetic excuses. You're just digging yourself a hole so you may as well stop now before it gets any worse. Liredmachine I'm with you 100% here. Heli, how cab you be so fast to judge something when you have never seen it or heard anyone elses opinion on them?? How can you say the electronics are bad when all you can see in the pic is a small plastic case?
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I may just buy one to piss RC_heli off. Then my opinion would matter more than his.
I like the way people start going on about poor quality and grade of materials when there's only a picture available. That's classic, blinkered I'm-right-and-you-are-wrong ignorance.
Case closed.
I like the way people start going on about poor quality and grade of materials when there's only a picture available. That's classic, blinkered I'm-right-and-you-are-wrong ignorance.
What??? I couldn't even read
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Wait a minute, first of all, owned?
Secondly Lilredmachine there is absolutely nothing you can do to piss me off... lol lol lol
If you waste your money and buy that crap then you would only solidify what I think of you.
My opinions are coming from experience, I know that 3g servos, second rate materials and shoty electronics
are a waste of time and money.
I wouldn't put any of my helis or plains in the air with servos and engines that I didn't know
where proven and trusted. It would be unsafe and unethical. The same goes for land base
vehicles also. Large or small.
Secondly Lilredmachine there is absolutely nothing you can do to piss me off... lol lol lol
If you waste your money and buy that crap then you would only solidify what I think of you.
My opinions are coming from experience, I know that 3g servos, second rate materials and shoty electronics
are a waste of time and money.
I wouldn't put any of my helis or plains in the air with servos and engines that I didn't know
where proven and trusted. It would be unsafe and unethical. The same goes for land base
vehicles also. Large or small.
01-07-2009, 04:36 PM
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I think the car looks interesting for what it's worth, and don't really understand the fuss. You know, I had a response typed up to address the "concerns" about the car, but this looks like a classic case of trying to teach a pig to sing(if you're not familiar with the joke, teaching a pig to sing is a waste of time and annoys the pig).
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Aight I'm just gonna throw my opinion out there... while rc-heli is right in that we know nothing about the car other than the pic and specs and he also make a good point about spares, looking at the car and that is all I'm doing just looking so please don't flame me to death I don't have a fireproof suit on..... but yeh looking at the car it looks like you may be able to replace some of the parts on this car with standard mini-z parts. The parts which I am referring too are the differentials and the knuckles... I could very possibly be wrong but to me it looks like i could drop drop in the mini-z equivalent... the chassis is a different story though if you broke that i have no idea where you could get a new one....
Edit:
muahahaha took a closer look and did about 15 seconds of research and found that you can buy them and some others like it aswell as spares at www.modellfun.com so i think that should help to solve these problems...
Edit:
muahahaha took a closer look and did about 15 seconds of research and found that you can buy them and some others like it aswell as spares at www.modellfun.com so i think that should help to solve these problems...
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Guys, you can buy this car if you wish - good luck.
But I think what RCHeli and others have tried to point out is that this car is just a basic pan car
with little or no active suspensio, little in the way of parts support, everything about it is suspect
AND for the $219 [:@] plus shipping they want there should be
some goldplating of parts or something that comes with it for that kind of price.
But I think what RCHeli and others have tried to point out is that this car is just a basic pan car
with little or no active suspensio, little in the way of parts support, everything about it is suspect
AND for the $219 [:@] plus shipping they want there should be
some goldplating of parts or something that comes with it for that kind of price.
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What??? I couldn't even read all that nonsense bable...
That car is a piece of crap and I don't suggest anyone to buy it.
The amount of money they are making off that low grade, low quality materials and electronics is robbery.
You would probable be better off finding an alternative.
That car is a piece of crap and I don't suggest anyone to buy it.
The amount of money they are making off that low grade, low quality materials and electronics is robbery.
You would probable be better off finding an alternative.
to me this car looks like a nice 1/28 on road car, how can you say Carbon, Carbon Fiber and heavy grade alum are cheap qualty and as far as the "cheap" "knock off" elctronics most electronics parts all come from the same place and are just badged dif for who puts them together....
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Its not even carbon fiber. LOOK.
Its not even carbon fiber. LOOK.
Just from this thread im reminded why i dont come around this place often
some more pics
thing looks top notch to me for 1/28 pan cars