smaller than a cox .010
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smaller than a cox .010
i have been thinking a lot lately about eally small engines mostly diesel and have been looking at ronald valentines engines and really want one but they are too expensive for me at the moment so i was wondering if there is anything out there smaller than a cox .010 but cheaper than one of ronald valentines engines if there is could you point me inthe right direction all the best,
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RE: smaller than a cox .010
The short answer: NO! If you want a precision made miniature-then you can expect to pay a lot for it. Its a fairly simple concept-working tolerances at this level are much more critical-the level of precision required is much higher-and that costs money. No one-other than model engineers or Ronald Valentine-is currently manufacturing diesels this small-and Valentine is the only one doing so in more than 'one-off' quantities-and even then no more than 10 or 20 of a particular design. VA engines were the only reasonably priced ones-along with AE-and they're not around anymore-the Italian Tiger Wasp was only made in about 20 units-and that was two decades ago-and Arne Hende died several years ago-so no more replica/miniatures from that source either. You're about 20 years too late for this particular niche market!
I'm not aware of many succesful 010 conversions-Davis did experiment with them-but AFAIK backed off after encountering mechanical failures-generally shafts-when operating dieselised. I don't think he ever made the 010 conversions available commercially. There is quite a bit of info on user experience with the Valentine engines on the diesel forum.
In short-what you're after does not exist in regular production-but only in small production 'bespoke' engines. These don't come cheap-whether Valentine made or any where else. I my opinion-at the prices charged by Valentine on Ebay for the single cylinder miniatures, they represent good value for money.
Finally-what exactly do you want a dieselised 010 for? You won't get any more power from the engine, it will definitely be harder to start, and in these tiny sizes the ability to turn a larger prop is problematic.
IF you are determined to acquire something-your only options (other than a dieselised 010) are: (1) Various Valentines (2) AE 0.1cc (2) Tiger Wasp 0.1cc (3) Nano 0.1cc (4) AH 0.1cc (5) VA Bambi (or DC Bambi)
-and none of these apart from the Valentines-are being produced currently. So you can expect to pay quite a lot for one on Ebay-which is about the only market where they pop up from time to time. Andy Woitowicz in Canada might be persuaded to do you a diesel conversion of the 010-but again be prepared to pay for it.
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I'm not aware of many succesful 010 conversions-Davis did experiment with them-but AFAIK backed off after encountering mechanical failures-generally shafts-when operating dieselised. I don't think he ever made the 010 conversions available commercially. There is quite a bit of info on user experience with the Valentine engines on the diesel forum.
In short-what you're after does not exist in regular production-but only in small production 'bespoke' engines. These don't come cheap-whether Valentine made or any where else. I my opinion-at the prices charged by Valentine on Ebay for the single cylinder miniatures, they represent good value for money.
Finally-what exactly do you want a dieselised 010 for? You won't get any more power from the engine, it will definitely be harder to start, and in these tiny sizes the ability to turn a larger prop is problematic.
IF you are determined to acquire something-your only options (other than a dieselised 010) are: (1) Various Valentines (2) AE 0.1cc (2) Tiger Wasp 0.1cc (3) Nano 0.1cc (4) AH 0.1cc (5) VA Bambi (or DC Bambi)
-and none of these apart from the Valentines-are being produced currently. So you can expect to pay quite a lot for one on Ebay-which is about the only market where they pop up from time to time. Andy Woitowicz in Canada might be persuaded to do you a diesel conversion of the 010-but again be prepared to pay for it.
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RE: smaller than a cox .010
Don't forget the Schlosser .25cc. Not exactly affordable or avaliable but there are a few on the auction site-one went for a decent price NIB tonight in fact. If you want a micro diesel that is friendly and runs well, Schlosser's are really hard to top.
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Choices are kinda limited in that size range.... and a lot of those choices are more for novelty than actual running, let alone bolting onto a model and committing Aviation with.
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RE: smaller than a cox .010
yeah i heard about all of those but last night while surfing the web i came across a guy called Dave Banks who used to and maybe still does build replica engines he is based in london close to me might go round to see him if he is still in the buisnes i know he made replicas of the bambi and a tiny mills .16cc diesel that is the same size as the cox .010 thanks for the quick replies guys
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RE: smaller than a cox .010
Dave Banks SOLD the engines, he didn't actually produce them. They were manufactured in Russia, in St Petersburg, by a guy by the name of Valentin Aloshkin, and hence were known as 'VA' engines-which also included some high performance 049 glows. The range consisted of the Bambi 0.15cc, Mills 0.25cc, Mills 0.4cc, ED Baby 0.25cc, Micro 0.4cc, Elfin 50 0.25cc, ED Bee 0.5cc, Kalper .32, Elfin 0.36cc, ED Racer 0.5cc, plus the 020 and 049 glows, which were also available as RC and with optional diesel heads. Dave Banks was certainly the instigator of many of the repros and miniatures produced by VA,but he had no involvement in the manufacture. These engines have not been manufactured since ca 2000-2001. AFAIK he is still in business-but not selling motors. He was known as a consummate scale modeller long before he became involved with engines, and produces a range of scale pilots and dummy engine accessories for small scale models-electric and CO2
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RE: smaller than a cox .010
ok i might have t save up for a valentine rgm i recently saw a RoVa glow engine go for £55 on ebay but could not bid on it
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RE: smaller than a cox .010
If you need a small fix but can live without internal combustion than buy anything G-6 (2mm bore) or smaller from Gasparin.. [8D]
I struggle not to break or bend my G-6 anytime I handle it. I had to buy a new conrod - if you draw a line about 5mm long with a ballpoint pen, then draw a little dot at one end and a tiny circle at the other you have a full scale image. Add a 2mm x 4m rectangle for the piston.
I struggle not to break or bend my G-6 anytime I handle it. I had to buy a new conrod - if you draw a line about 5mm long with a ballpoint pen, then draw a little dot at one end and a tiny circle at the other you have a full scale image. Add a 2mm x 4m rectangle for the piston.
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RE: smaller than a cox .010
wow they sound and look cool but how much are they and were can i get one i have been on the website but is ther no other place that stocks them
thanks for the reply
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You can get them from Gasparin:
http://www.gasparin.cz/?show=frames&...hatsnew&lng=en
http://www.gasparin.cz/?show=frames&...hatsnew&lng=en
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They used to have them but they seems all gone now, Hobby Club has some accessories but no motors. There was also Carlson but their site is down(since last monday)
http://www.hobbyclub.com/index.php?cPath=120
http://www.blacksheepsquadron.com/
http://www.hobbyclub.com/index.php?cPath=120
http://www.blacksheepsquadron.com/