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Old 06-09-2011, 06:23 AM
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Default Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

Is anyone from this board located in Canada and flies Cox engines?

If so, where do you get fuel from and, if you mix it yourself, where do you get nitro from?<o></o>

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Old 06-09-2011, 07:31 AM
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I use 10% nitro fuel and add SIG castor oil to bring the oil content up to ~20%. Pour some fuel into a wide mouthed and, preferably, calibrated container and mark. Let the alcohol and nitro evaporate out. Mark that spot. You can now figure the % oil in your fuel supply in order to know how much oil to add. If your fuel is totally synthetic lube don't fret- castor is good stuff for high revving 1/2A engines. Works for me. I'm a 'sport' flier. Others may have an argument about it but I won't! If unsure then dedicate an expendable engine for testing.
Old 06-09-2011, 07:43 AM
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

You should ask AndyW he is very knowledgeable about model engines and i know he uses cox and norvel and lives in Canada.
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

Also i forgot about one thing can you not get sig fuel in Canada?
Old 06-09-2011, 08:02 AM
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

I get 30% car fuel and add castor, I ordered 1 QT of castor from sig directly and they shipped it with no problems. Maybe I got lucky.
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

Asking Andy is a good suggestion and I will do so, thanks.

Ideally, Cox engines should be run with 25% Nitro. 15% makes setting the needle more of a challenge. 10% Nitro and further diluting this with oil... um... don't know....

SIG Champion 25 is the ideal fuel but no dealer seems to stock it in this country. Non-castor oil SIG should be available but the problem is usually that fuel in general comes with an 18-20% synthetic oil contend and, again, adding more oil is not recommended.

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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

I ordered 1 QT of castor from sig directly and they shipped it with no problems. Maybe I got lucky.

Castor oil is not the problem as it's availabe at grocery and health food stores. It's getting fuel with a low oil content (10%) so that one can add castor oil without going over the 20% total oil content.

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Some High Nitro car fuel is a lot lower in oil than we like. It can be as low as 12%.
Old 06-09-2011, 08:32 AM
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

Bernie,

Sig won't ship you the Champion 25?

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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

No one in the USA that I know of will ship fuel cross-border. The hazmat fee alone is something like $40.

Tower Hobbies will not even ship cyno glue accelerator to Canada.

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Which fuel has 12% oil, Steve?

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Old 06-09-2011, 08:38 AM
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense.

I'd check with a dealer of Sig.....maybe a special order?

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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

I'll look this afternoon. It has a yellow / black checkered flag on the Jug.

There is this stuff too.

http://www.odonnellracing.com/index.html

http://www.odonnellracing.com/racingfuel/index.html
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

Matt,

I have spoken with several dealers in Canada all all of them said no because they have to take a larger quentity and are not will to take the stocking risk.

Yes, Steve, that stuff should do. I will pursue that avenue, thanks.

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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

If you can get optifuel in Canada i think they make 35% that has about 12 or 15% synthetic oil content.
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Here is a company that makes 30% nitro with a 11% oil http://torconitro.com/pro-rc-nitro.html
here is a link toa dealer for the fuel in Canada  http://www.actionhobbies.ca/
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

Thanks Nitro... (no pun intended )

Torconitro is an option although they do not have many dealers.

Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread.

O'Donnell Racing Fuel seems to be readily available in Canada at many locations and, with only 8% oil, an ideal candidate to top up with castor oil.

Thanks again
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Old 06-09-2011, 12:24 PM
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

I was alerted to this thread but it looks like the issue has been resolved. The crazy thing is that some 25 years ago, I went back to 1/2A after a few decades absence with the intent of doing up a four channel, fully throttled 1/2A to emulate the performance of any other bigger plane. As I live in the wilds of Northern Ontario with no shops for hundreds of miles, fuel was hard to get. Any out of town trip would have me at the local hobby shop stocking up on fuel. High nitro was the deal so the fuel that caught my eye was Sidewinder, 25%. Back then, ingedients weren't labelled and I had no idea that THIS fuel was only 12% SYNTHETIC oil. I test benched and fly a lot of Cox engines back then and can't recall having many loose ball socket issues. BUT, I wasn't looking and any slop I felt, I assumed was normal. I remember a lot of my Cox engines having slop from day one but of course, that was when those rocket guys were running things. []

However, as I ran the .09 and even a .15, castor was definetely required. My first .09 in 30 years punched a hole in the piston top after a dozen or so runs . Ouch. [:@]

Back in 2006 when most of my YT videos were made, I did what's mentioned, buy car fuel with as high as 40% nitro and 12% oil, do the math, add the ingredients and you could get a 30% nitro fuel with half and half, castor/synthetic up to 25% total oil. Now we is TALKING.

When I was in TO a couple of years ago, most of the shops had lots of high nitro, low oil, car fuel. I stocked up, I'm good for a few years. Now if I could just get the time to go flying. []
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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

Andy,
I bet there are some good flying spots around you if i lived in such a remote place on saturdays or whenever i had tim i would go out and fly for the whole day i would actually do that in London as well but i just don't have the time[].

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My LHS doesn't stock high nitro/high castor fuel, so I also went the route of buying car fuel and blending it with castor to get the percentages I wanted. I got tired of doing the calculations, so I wrote a simple Excel spreadsheet to do them for me. It is a whatif analysis, but let's me hone in on the mix I want. The result is a 32 oz batch - more than enough for Half A.

[link=http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/fuel.htm]Fuel Mixture Calculator[/link]

I use Cool Power Sidewinder Pro 20/10 and Sidewinder Pro 30/10 with Klotz BeNol for castor. I can buy the fuel in quarts without a hazmat fee - a quart of each plus oil makes a little over a half gallon, a lot for 1/2A. The oil in Sidewinder Pro is 50/50 synthetic/castor.

The blend I've been using, although mostly in NORVELs, is 22.5% nitro, 21.25% oil - the oil is a 20/80 synthetic/castor combo, or about 17% total castor by volume.
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That is pretty snazzy, Andrew. May we use your instructions and calculator on our websites?

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May we use your instructions and calculator on our websites?

Bernie
Bernie

Please feel free to use them.

[link=http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/POWERSUPPLY.HTM]Here's a link[/link] to another site I put together several years ago on converting a PC powersupply to a 12v desktop supply. My original intent was to have the conversion used as a powersupply in digital electronics labs, but it seems that it's greatest usage has been by modelers using it to power 12v field chargers so they can charge at home without connecting to the car battery or a battery in the shop. Railroad modelers also been using it to power their layout's auxillary lighting and switch motors.

Glow still needs RX batteries and ignitors, so it may be useful to some of your customers.

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Default RE: Where does one obtain Cox fuel in Canada?

I am able to get Byron 1/2A fuel at our local hobby shop. 25% nitro, 18%all castor lubrication.

I have also mixed some from car fuel for some 50 year old control line engines. I used 20% sidewinder and added some castor from a motorcycle shop.
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I recently bought fuel from a place in texas that made 24%nitro and 18% castor. I bring up the oil content with castor to 22-24% per recomendation for cox engines. I found the dealer on e-bay.
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ORIGINAL: icegs

I am able to get Byron 1/2A fuel at our local hobby shop. 25% nitro, 18%all castor lubrication.

I have also mixed some from car fuel for some 50 year old control line engines. I used 20% sidewinder and added some castor from a motorcycle shop.
How is your Byron fuel working for you? We used to run a lot of Byron fuel for the bigger engines and loved the stuff. One day, the OOT Hobby Shop had some Byron 1/2A fuel and I was ecstatic. 'Till I ran the stuff. Hard to dial in, power was down and throttling was poor. I assumed it was an old or bad batch and never had a chance to try a new jug. So the half gallon that was left I used on an old, OS .40 and it ran well on that engine. Any wonder though, at 25% nitro.

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