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Old 11-03-2011, 11:21 AM
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Default Herr Engineering Pitts Special 24"ws

I have recently purchased a Pitts Special w/24" ws that was originally designed for rubber power. I would like to convert it to R/C. I am looking for any suggestions available. What modifications are needed for the build? I am planning on a built-up bulkhead / firewall for the engine / motor. I will also apply balsa sheeting to the fuse.

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Old 11-03-2011, 05:53 PM
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Default RE: Herr Engineering Pitts Special 24

go electric.
Old 11-03-2011, 09:51 PM
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There is no fun in electrics...

You need to look at the wing area to get an idea of how much total weight you can tolerate. Then also think about what kind of flying you're after, a peewee with a throttle ring on the exhaust might be well suited.
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I've scratch built a couple 24 inch Ultimate Bipes and powered them with .049-.074 engines.
I made the frame work just heavy enough so that virtually no sheeting was required.
The lightest of the 2 planes has bamboo skewers for wing struts.
Try to save weight by making the wings half as strong as you would for a monoplane.
Old 11-04-2011, 07:36 AM
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There is no fun in electrics...

You need to look at the wing area to get an idea of how much total weight you can tolerate. Then also think about what kind of flying you're after, a peewee with a throttle ring on the exhaust might be well suited.
Silly human..there is lots of fun in electrics...and in 1/2A glow..and in model airplanes in general, reguardless of how they are powered.
Old 11-05-2011, 04:36 PM
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There is no fun in electrics...
A blind man, that shouldgo outside and see the rest of the world.

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Old 11-05-2011, 05:53 PM
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There is no fun in electrics...
A blind man, that should go outside and see the rest of the world.

Pat

Incorrect. What may be fun for you isn't necessarily fun for anyone else, and it's entirely possible that he simply doesn't find electrics fun.

Personally, I'm with Mr Cox. I just don't see any fun in electrics, I find them to be quite boring and to have no soul. I'd never run one. I've seen them run, sure, and I'm aware of how much more power they have versus engines. But that doesn't mean I like them, find them fun or want to run them.
Old 11-06-2011, 03:04 AM
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Default RE: Herr Engineering Pitts Special 24

This is fine that you don't like electric's, you don't have to. I have many cox's engines and different size Cox powered planes, and I also have many 1/2A size planes that I built electric, that I go out my back door and fly, and the neighbors don't say "What the hell is that noise", or say"Herehe goes again!' No one likes to live next door to a barking dog. My nitro flying field is 45 miles away. I have 1/8A to 1/4 scale gas planes, butI only fly small electric at home, and thats fun, for me! And many others.

When someone said he may go engine or motor, and someone said to go with the electric, he told them they were no fun! Not that "he" didn't like them. That is what I was answering to.

It does not matter if they build them to fly, sit, electric, nitro, gas, or rubber band, free flite,glider, 3D, jet,scale, fun scale, sport, etc. They are all fun! But to tell someone else, that one of them is not, is not right!

"I just don't see any fun in electrics, I find them to be quite boring and to have no soul. I'd never run one."Itsounds like you never have tried one. I don't see where boring comesfrom.

I guess I just like all planes.I enjoy looking at them, and watching them all fly.
"Just have fun flying what ever you brung".

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You cant beat electrics for performance an practicality these days!............But....
There is no soul, no spark ( if you can excuse that) Its too easy, a bit like ARF (here we go!) When someone say they dont have time to build.
I thought a hobby was about spending time with something not particularly useful. Same thing with the the motor thingy. I really dont want it to be too easy, because then there is no accomplishment. I have flown lots of tiny planes with fiddly Cox engines and such. The thrill is way greater than anything else. The smaller and harder the better!
And now i will take cover behind by building board! Let the axes fly!
Jonas

Whatever you do with your Pitts! I think its cool. Do what makes you happy, or whatever.
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When someone said he may go engine or motor, and someone said to go with the electric, he told them they were no fun! Not that ''he'' didn't like them. That is what I was answering to.
If he says they're no fun that means he doesn't like them. Doesn't take much to connect those two dots.

'' I just don't see any fun in electrics, I find them to be quite boring and to have no soul. I'd never run one.'' It sounds like you never have tried one. I don't see where boring comes from.
I'll tell you, then.


Engines, to me, are living, breathing creatures. They have unique personalities, quirks, preferences, and hell they can even act entirely different for two different people even if they only spend a few minutes between operators. They also have a voice, they sing quite the nice song most of the time(I leave single cyl gassers out of this as they all sound like lawn equipment), and they'll happily call you a -beep- in their own way if they don't like you.

Electric motors? You apply current, they spin. That's it. Nothing more than a desk fan bolted to the firewall. They don't have any unique quirks, they don't have preferences or personalities, they don't care who's operating them, and they sound awful. If it isn't annoying ESCs that won't shut the hell up and stop chirping, it's prop ripping, and if it isn't that it's a little bearing whir.


Now you see why I feel they're dull, soulless things, right?
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Default RE: Herr Engineering Pitts Special 24

I fly electric for thing that must work (competition), all the time, everytime.

The reliability of electrics is wonderful.

That said, I'm still not a fan (hah)

Gimme a grumpy peewee or a screaming 61VF and I'm as happy as a pig in sh*t.
Old 11-21-2011, 07:14 PM
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Whatever you do with your Pitts! I think its cool. Do what makes you happy, or whatever.
Amazing... a Tunnan with an 049? Here I've been foolishly trying to make an EDF 50mm verrsion.

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I fly my Midwest NDF A-4 Skyhawk with a Tee Dee .049, but it hangs out with my electric Herrs 30" Pitts & Littlest stik

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Old 11-23-2011, 11:29 AM
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Default RE: Herr Engineering Pitts Special 24

Fine workmanship  on those models
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Here you go! Vingspan 37cm and peewee. viggen had some babybee or something, built in foam covered in brownpaper. wings made from caedboard. all covered in solarfilm. Yes, markings too. scissors you know. Oh yeah, Bigger Tunnan had MPJet061 and retracts.
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Whatever you do with your Pitts! I think its cool. Do what makes you happy, or whatever.
Amazing... a Tunnan with an 049? Here I've been foolishly trying to make an EDF 50mm verrsion.

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Default RE: Herr Engineering Pitts Special 24

Thank You!  that will be used :-)
Nice models that you have built there
 The  Tunnan with the yellow & chrome  on it.. is it a ducted fan.. I have to ask as I can't see any propeller. 
But then the inlet /ex are scale like.. so I'm not sure, either way  :-).
Foam & brown paper  is a Fine technique.  I find it tricky to get on just enough white glue to permanently stick the paper to the foam.
 A few models suffered from delamination after a summer's season until I realised i needed to up the glue/ water mix ratio.
I just paint my paper skins with acrylics though.
 Hey! I also have a couple of Conquest radios,  that still work just fine .

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Default RE: Herr Engineering Pitts Special 24

In the case of a plane that is designed for rubberband power, an electric motor makes the most sense to me. Especially a tiny biplane with all the little nooks and crannys to meticulously clean the oil off of.
I've got a couple of semi scale twin engine projects [.049 and .074 powered] that proved to be uncontrollable with an engine dead. Not enough rudder command built in to save the plane in all conditions.
I plan on revisiting these projects someday with electric power.
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In the case of a plane that is designed for rubberband power, an electric motor makes the most sense to me. Especially a tiny biplane with all the little nooks and crannys to meticulously clean the oil off of.
I've got a couple of semi scale twin engine projects [.049 and .074 powered] that proved to be uncontrollable with an engine dead. Not enough rudder command built in to save the plane in all conditions.
I plan on revisiting these projects someday with electric power.


CP... You have had too much Turkey and trimmings. Beware of the Spark Force..
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How about some Sierra Nevada Celebration Ale...?
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That'll do it.
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No! There is a prop in the nose. I have made a spinner in the shape of the inlet. Prop is a cutdown 6X3 88mm i diameter. couldnt get the proper ones to survive more than one launch.
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Thank You! that will be used :-)
Nice models that you have built there
The Tunnan with the yellow & chrome on it.. is it a ducted fan.. I have to ask as I can't see any propeller.
But then the inlet /ex are scale like.. so I'm not sure, either way :-).
Foam & brown paper is a Fine technique. I find it tricky to get on just enough white glue to permanently stick the paper to the foam.
A few models suffered from delamination after a summer's season until I realised i needed to up the glue/ water mix ratio.
I just paint my paper skins with acrylics though.
Hey! I also have a couple of Conquest radios, that still work just fine .


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