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Old 05-23-2016, 09:48 PM
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Stage II with the NANO -TD .020

All up weight is 97g / 3.42 oz RTF

Major drop in weight compared to it's previous use in the Lil Speedy.
Weight was just at 5.1oz so 1.6oz drop and in drag.

3 x 4.5N / 37.5k / 160 mph.
3.3 x 4.5N / 36k / 154

Best pass of 38.6k with the thicker airfoil, width and bit more heavy carbon 3030 / 106 mph.
With the wee lil NANO the carbon prop will bust 40k and get about 114 mph.

Nice light weight platform to push some rpm. CG needs adjusting will have to move the battery back some. Engine looks right at home and weight seems just fine in the hand. Run time will be about 3.20 ish mins I have used a 5cc tank before with this engine on the original Lil Speedy. Removed the throttle sleeve should fly consistently fast in all directions.


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Ducted Fan versions FANG -TD .020



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Micro switch harness complete. Could have made two of the three leads a bit
shorter but the harness maybe repurposed at some point. At 1.8g this is less
weight then just the micro switch on the Lil Speedy. Standard plug goes to the
RX the smaller ones for charging port and battery. MPI switch harness with no
charging lead is 3.2g about 4g ready to roll so big savings making my own.




RX binded and all up weight of wing and all RC gear just 30.1g amazing!
going with a thin 1S 250mah 20C lipo no voltage booster needed with this system.
Bit over kill good for 10 flights. Will play it safe and use the extra mah for the first
day of flying then see how much was used. If all goes well I can drop down to half
the weight with a 80mah cell for perhaps 5 flights a charge. Dawn of a new age
for me using these Micro JST 1.25mm connectors over the standard plugs. They
seem to make solid connections and take a bit of effort to unplug which is good
for IC powered planes.



Notable mention

Eflite has some 4.5x4 props I bought 5 to test
1.1g after a backcut mod 3.7x4N carbon / plastic mix.
The Eflite 3.75x3 did very well with the TD .020 great
thrust with a uncut stock prop 31.3k rpm / 93 mph per doppler.
That prop had a robust blade to hub connection all plastic.
These new prop are a bit more stiffer and wont etch from nitro splashes.
Fade marks would show on the glossy prop. This is the same materiel
type prop used on the TD .049 Lil Speedy.


I expect the new 3.7x4N to hit 33k + / 130+ not bad for a TD .020
On the NANO I this means massive thrust compared to the TD .010
4.4oz static thrust on a 3.38oz RTF. It will fly like a freight train in any direction.
If propped for top end speed then a 3.2x4 will be tried at some point this
is good for 39k / 148mph / 2.5oz thrust enough to still jam around.
Down wind passes will be blistering. Shown bellow the 3.75x3
This prop is the one to beat now it is a big jump forward with a good
hub match for the TD .010 spinner. modified for 3-46 thread as shown.
Perfect for the TD .020 not recommended for the TD .049.

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Ready to test fly all up came out to 63.1g / 2.2oz less 5g of fuel. 68g at start up.
Made a JST 1.25mm charging harness set at .1mah. RX is rated at 3.6v to 9v
Fully charged 1S will be 4.2V will do 3 test flights and then stop to see what sort
of discharge rate the servos are drawing.

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What grade of wood would you say is in the wing...?
Years ago I came across a single cell 6V camera battery. At the time it was a huge improvement over the 250 NICAD.
This was back in the S-133 servo days.
It wasn't rechargeable as far as I know and kind of expensive but at the time it was worth the smile on my face to see a 1/2A project go vertical.
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Going with 4 AAA dry cells was considered the way to save weight over 450-500 mah AA nicads
or dry cells. Seeing a simple cox engine perform well with true vertical abilities was just a dream
then. Old school designs and size acceptance hindered progress at my flying clubs. Kits controlled
perceptions. Rare would you befriend a prolific builder only see progression in some mag articles
or hear a story from a fellow modeler at the field. I recall some special cells that came out I never
expounded. I always had a voltage meter in the field box to spot check life span.

Medium so density around 8.5lb per cubic foot.
The wood was provided by Midwest if I recall, bit of a variance it had a harder half so I took
advantage for the leading edge about 1in. worth. The Neon colors are bit thicker mill so help
to protect the wing from handling and landings. I have never used a 1S setup before will be
cautious on the testing. Stated range is well past most park flying views. The glider guys are
catching thermals have not read any range issues. Key is to use low voltage servos 3v to 5v
to avoid voltage sag when loading spikes.

Wing is: 2.4" x 1.25"x 15.5" these # are rounded out 57 sq. in. is actual.
The plane is very light but I did do the wingtip twist check plenty stiff.

Display engine needs to be swapped out with the original NANO engine and the
130 mph prop to make a good comparison . Other than that this thing is ready for
fuel.

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I have a set of propeller protectors meant for gassers that would fit on that wing very nicely. Not that I have a gasser. My flying buddy used a rechargeable 9 volt battery many moons ago in a single channel pee wee .020 plane. Back then they were 7.2 volts. I made one and removed a cell. He gave me sh__ for doing that. I never used it because I lost it. I do still have the cell I took off. It is a small rectangular one. I am sure there are better ones now, as that was about 30 years ago. I think he only did one flight per charge. The servos are smaller now, and might use less juice than then, if they are not digital.
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I remember that 9v trick, an old friend Mark with a micro hand launch plane with two S133's
Small back in the day circa 1992 could wing chuck it and get good flights out of a toss the thing really
milked the air was a very well thought out airfoil most impressive enough so to prompt me
to make one. I started slope soaring with it fast lil plane. Something to revisit with the right slope.
Weather pending I shall vid the NANO II on Memorial Day.

My Cox Powered Speed Planes
TD .049 / .020 / .010 - just need a .09 and .15 to make the set complete.
When all is done I wonder with one will be the fastest.







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If you want a fast Cox, the only one to get is the Conquest .15. Everything else pales in comparison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ImgsQJpq0 Mine goes about the same, but is just the steel piston/cyl. I have been thinking of a little chuck glider for my back yard. There is a nice 20 degree slope on to Lake Erie, but it is only 100 ft clear on the sides. Quite often the wind is from the south and it might work well with the right small light plane. It would not be far to drive at least. Just trees in the way to screw it up.

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Test flew the NANO II the throws where set high the lil thing took off with left aileron
and too much up I managed to trim out the plane fairly well but boinked it in.
Was passing over my head I turned around and do to the fast throws I wango it in.
Broke the elevator servo mount and the prop so had to pack it in.


Had the engine rich for the test flight still made good numbers
27.4k static / 19w / 104mph / unloaded to 32k / 122 mph.
Wing loading is good should be easy enough to land, even rich the lil one was fast.

Some pics from the vid

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It looks like a .020 Speed Cup entry...!
The Catch 22 with such a small, fast model is the controls need to be minimal but if a wind comes up during the glide, you need enough command to keep the nose pointed into the wind.
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I sorta matched the original NANO throws
Ailerons 33%
Elevator 38%

I now have it at:
Ailerons 23%
Elevator 28%

The lil beast is fast even rich and so turns with ease I was wing wagging with minimal input.
All the past flights with lil micros still can't aid you when dealing with very responsive design,
the travel really is not that much, just what is there works very well.

Will try and squeeze in a rebate flight this week after work. From what I can tell its smooth with
the long tail moment. The colors popped in the air a big plus. About 85ft. up in the second pic.
The camera doesn't pick it up as well I can but gives you some idea how small gets.


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Originally Posted by aspeed
If you want a fast Cox, the only one to get is the Conquest .15. Everything else pales in comparison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3ImgsQJpq0 Mine goes about the same, but is just the steel piston/cyl. I have been thinking of a little chuck glider for my back yard. There is a nice 20 degree slope on to Lake Erie, but it is only 100 ft clear on the sides. Quite often the wind is from the south and it might work well with the right small light plane. It would not be far to drive at least. Just trees in the way to screw it up.
HK has a variety of DLG models that might turn your crank, the 1m span model gets good reviews. The Whipit flies great and will climb on a bug fart, but has next to no penetration, improves a bit with a penny taped to the bottom.
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I saw a video of the Whipit. It looks pretty good. It seems to be like the little indoor planes for weight and servo type etc. I have a Tercel glider I may try some day, the trees scare me It still seems a bit big for the backyard. The Whipit may be good for a nearly dead calm day.. Just have to look at the wind and go out when the time is right.
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It is indeed a micro parkie. Foam nose pod, same linear servo three channel board as in the Vapor and other BNF/RTF micros. Foam wing with carbon rod spanwise. I even plugged a Vapor motor into the third channel, with a micro quadcopter prop on a 1/16" balsa pylon - worked great, but the drag kills the glider performance. Ripped it out after a few flights but it was amusing.

Issue is, if it tends to be breezy during thermal weather then it can be a problem - soon as it climbs out 100-200 feet it is too far downwind to get back home. Slope soaring is okay but light winds only, maybe you'll need two pennies. Calmish thermally conditions are a hoot.

It is a heck of a lot of fun in the right setting. Too small for an .010.. just to attempt to reference the thread topic .
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YaYea Mike's back good to see your doing better!!
Where they able to sort out what the frack was going on?

I have built the NANO II in your absence weather pending should
be able to get some good vid this weekend.

Preened another prop 1g with washer and bolt. The hole in the
washer was undersized I tapped it for the 2-56 bolt, slop free and
should be more balanced.

2.58 x 4 / 29.3k static 111 mph / 1.5oz thrust.

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Yeah, I went back to work today, blah on that. Otherwise I'm good to go.

No clues yet as to the cause. Every test I did came out embarrassingly well.. ECG, nuclear imaging, stress test, blood enzymes, BP, resting pulse, bla bla. So now I have on a Holter monitor for 2 weeks. If nothing happens in two weeks, then likely next step is a subcutaneous monitor that they leave in for 6-12 months. Sounds like a Python skit - if I have another event, I call 911, they take me in and cut out the monitor to read the data.

(Maybe I should fly back to the Netherlands for three days to see if I can reproduce the conditions leading up to that Wednesday..)

So I declined all obligations as far as possible for two weeks and pretended I was unemployed for a while. Got to like it a lot. Now truth is, I buggered around airplane wise and didn't finish the .010 Scat Cat in that time. Shame shame, but circling back real soon. I had a sense of not readying any normal projects for spring, so got diverted/distracted into finishing a nice little composite motor glider I've had for 10 years (it rips, climbs like an FAI FF), then I built an ARF bash 24" span RC rocket glider for B/C motors I've had in mind for a bit (flies great, it's a riot), repairing the right side Moth wing walk so we can climb up to fuel it without a ladder, had a couple of nice Moth flights since spring finally got off it's ass about 2 weeks ago, plus a bunch of appointments for tests and whatnot.
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I dropped into an almost local hobby shop yesterday afternoon, and my eyes popped out when I spotted a stack of 1.9g Tactic servos, so I grabbed a couple. Those, a Lemon Rx receiver and 150 mAh battery 10g (my scale has 1g resolution only). 4 channel pack 14g. Crazy!
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Perhaps you can Scat that Cat around in the up coming weekend last pics had you within reach
of a test flight in short order. Least its not bad news thus far. Perhaps its was a fluke from all the traveling. ..
Holland huh got stay out of them hookah / coffee shops lol. ..


The NANO II came out to 2.2oz RTF.
I now have a TD .020 on the original NANO: 95.7g / 3.37oz / 3.7x4 prop / makes more thrust to weight
for constant speeds in any direction like the Lil Speedy with the TD .049.

The NANO now puts out 4.3oz thrust at 23k / 88mph static / unloaded 30k ish / 115mph
Or can match the thrust 1:1 and up the rpm for more speed 3.2x 37k / 140 mph possible.


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Yes, that little Cat only needs the last big push to finish up.

I see that in 2014 the HS35's were in question due to some QC problems, but it looks like it might have been a batch versus systemic problem. But I'll shake mine down big time before blindly committing aviation with them.
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Hitec HS-35HD Ultra Nano Servo 33035S

I have the ultra's in the Original Lil Speedy and in the Original NANO not a glitch of trouble
Some smacks into the grass still no issues. Could be luck of the draw or I am buying post
product from 2014.

I am treading carefully with the:
HK-282A SINGLE-SCREW, ULTRA-MICRO SERVO 2g / 0.2kg / 0.08sec

So far so good...

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Have you ever messed with those Tactic servos? The case generally looks like some HK offerings but there are discrete differences I can see in the pics. They have micro connectors, these first two I may hardwire to a pinless Rx for fun and tinyness. The slop seems to be very minimal so far. I'll be messing with these on small rocket gliders amongst other things if they pan out. They also have a pair of one gram servos on a 4 channel board, but those seem best suited to slow tiny electrics with a short life span.

I suspect any batch issue with the HS35's would have been nipped in the bud by now. So far the only Hitec servo I've really had a problem with and don't trust is the 645, but again I might have just got a clunker. I solved the problem of forgetting it was defective and potantially trying to reuse it, when I accidentally drove a screwdriver through the case & into the board while trying to un-Goop it from the airframe. Ix-nay on the warranty!
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There 1S 1.9g micro only puts out sub 3oz the HK I use put out a massive 7oz is why I have them in the NANO II.
Its a high speed coreless servo but not needed for micro RC planes.

The TR 1422 is bulky good if you want a rudder elevator project or throttle, elevator and ailerons down fall is
they use the micro 1.9 frame servos on the circuit board which means a lame sub 3oz torque.

Their opaque blue TX101 (4.8g) servo looks like the cheapo's I bought for the Lil Speedy II just rebranded sticker.
Does good work with the TD .049 very light 1/2A the lightest 3ch I have ever seen or read about.
With that being said the servos don't have to work as hard, yet at the current speeds for sure there is some loads.
Lil Speedy -TD .049 / SPI 30% nitro 180g / 6.3oz RTF / 130+ mph.


Talking servos I bought these for a TD .09 NANO will hit 26k /160 mph. 3ch. 4.4 x 6.5

8.6g at 4.8v to 6v up to 40oz torque.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spektrum-A30...49073310&rt=nc


Also bought these great value for a low 3v to 7.2v servo will use a regulator on 1S / 250mah.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/121867424634...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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I think you are mixing units.

The HK servos are 0.2kg, whichis 0.2kg-cm, not 0.2kg-in. That converts to 2.78 oz-in.

The Tactic are 0.17kg-cm, or 2.35 oz-in.

They are not that far apart.
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Aww snap on the cm I just typed in .2kg for 7oz

Close yes and can confirm working with the TD .010 thus far but I haven't had a good solid
flight in yet. The throws had me scrambling and scrubbing off speed.


This is working in the Lil Speedy with the TD .049

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Micro-3-...3D301738380483


Coreless Motor All Nylon Gear
Connector Wire Length 150MM Specification:Weight : 3.7 g
Size : 22 x 11.5 x 27 mm
Operating Speed (4.8V no load): 0.1sec/60 degrees
Stall Torque (4.8V): 8.32oz/in - (7.2v): 13oz/in
Operating Voltage: 4.8 - 7.2 Volts

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