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Old 03-13-2003, 02:41 AM
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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

Well, finally got the film developed, so here are some pics of my Design Contest entry. This is my Caudron C460. The fuse profile is 99% accurate, and the wing outline is accurate as well, but blown up 50% to give a more appropriate wing area for such a plane (The real one had a very tiny wing).

It will be powered by a DickeyBird Type engine. Control from all 4 regular functions. Not sure what it will end up weighing, but I am figuring it will end up around 11-13 oz's. Should be no problem as it has 200 square inches of wing area.

Contrary to the racing nature of the real plane, this one has a thick, fully symmetrical aerobatic airfoil. Wing is pink foam sheeted with 1/32" contest balsa, using probond as the adhesive.

I hope ya'll like this thing...



Cutting the fuse and tail pcs.........
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Old 03-13-2003, 02:43 AM
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Default The fuse under construction....

Used contest balsa everywhere except the formers. Top is fully round, semi planked.
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Old 03-13-2003, 02:45 AM
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Default Taped together for pics......

Wing still needs the leading edge, need to replace the mock-up canopy with the real one, and I need to cut a different trailing edge................
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Old 03-13-2003, 02:48 AM
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Default Different angle....

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Old 03-13-2003, 12:21 PM
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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

Looking good! I always thought the caudron canopy was neat looking. plane is well proportioned; you are right, the real one had small wings, and would be a sinker if scale sized!

The f104 was the same way, if I made the fuse average size, the wing wouldn't have worked! My solution was to make the whole plane large enough so that the wing area fit! that's how I wound up with a 1/2a plane with a 3 foot fuselage! It works well, though.

keep at it and post more when you got 'em!
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Old 03-13-2003, 01:43 PM
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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

Matchlessaero,

Very cool. Any classic air racer gets extra points in my book!

Cant wait to see it when it's BLUE!

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Old 03-14-2003, 02:44 AM
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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

cool, I like it!

I was thinking we should make an online collage of all our planes when the contest has finished.





it would make a good screen saver or something-

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Old 03-17-2003, 02:52 AM
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Default Fiberglass fun and more progress

After a great day of flying Saturday, I took some time today to get some more work done on my Caudron.

I now have leading and trailing edges on the wing, and wing tips in place. The tip of the core is 1/2" thick, so I took two tip shapes from 1/4" and shaped the outside. I then used a drum on my dremel and hollowed each half. Finished by glueing togther and installing them on the wing. Light and shapely.

I also finished the Canopy, and finish sanded the cowling blank.

I then took the cowling blank and fiberglassed around it. I am making this thing with the 'lost foam' method. So far it looks good, but I have not put any primer on it yet.
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Old 04-04-2003, 07:08 PM
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Default argggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Last night, I decided to fill a couple of low spots on the little fiberglass cowling I made, and I also wanted to fiberglass the center section of the wing on the Caudron. As always, I cut all the pcs of glass to fit, got my 30 minute epoxy and my glue spreaders and some alchohol for cleanup. I test fit all the glass pcs and mixed up a small batch of epoxy to do the top half of the wing. After mixing, I spread it on the wing very evenly. After I got about half of the top of the wing done, the epoxy began to kick off! Panic set in as I realized the unmarked epoxy I was using was not 30 min, but 5 minute!!!!!!! : ( In a great rush, I quickly laid the cloth on the wing and began to push it into the epoxy. I then ran inside, and hit the epoxy with my wife's hairdryer on high. That bought me another minute and a half of workability, so I used a spreader and worked the epoxy through the cloth and scraped off the excess............... phweewww!!!!!!

Moral of the story? Mark you glue bottles.........

I then went and found some real 30 minute to do the cowl and wing bottom.....

Now with the wing glassed, the only things left are permanently mounting the wing and tail, covering and detailing.......... Weather looks bad for this weekend, so I hope I might be able to get most of it done.
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Old 04-06-2003, 07:13 PM
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Default yup....

... it rained all day today...
No flyin. Yuck.

Good side is plenty of buildin' time. With the little lady out of the apartment, I could even make a mess and not catch.... well you know what I mean.

I spent plenty of time with rough grit and t-bar on my fiberglassing fiasco. Looks like the covering will hide my epoxy labeling issues.

Cut the wing dowel hole and drilled and tapped the wing bolts. With that in place and aligned, I was able to mount the tail and fair it in. Not as elegant as Dickeybird's job, but effective nonetheless. Also mounted all the pushrods and planned the final radio install.

Engine looks good inside the cowl, just hope I have enough in and out for cooling. (about a 1-3 ratio right now...)

All the surfaces now move like they should, and with a little more sanding this thing will be ready to paint/cover.

I will get a couple more pics to put up in a few hours...

27 to go and Jr just pitted. Gotta get back to the race. See Ya......: )
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Default More pics from todays building session

Ready to cover/paint....
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Default From the left tip

you can see the fiberglass cowl and the airfoil of the wing. If you look real close, you can see that I cut the cores with the washout built in.
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Default And from the front....

again you can see the cowl and the slim fuse.
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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

love that side view match.... dang everytime one of yall post mine gets to looking worse... but since its my first i dont feel so bad and I hope it at least flys.......Rog
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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

wow, that thing is smooth as hell!




N I C E




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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

I would like to lodge a protest!!!!!

I protest that Plane!
Clearly several rules were vilated. The primary one is that Caudron is THE BOMB. not fair, not fair!
Not allowed to look that good, and be that smooth!!!!!


Photo retouching!! Ya! thats it!!

Not wait, Magic was used, Ya Matchlessaero is a voodoo magician, and thats against the rules!

No wait! Clearly Alien invation was involved!!

I'm getting to the bottom of this!!!!!


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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

GOOD GOD MAN!!!!

that thing is BEAUTIFUL Jeremy,

really man, it's amazing, between you and Dickeybird...

I mean, they must just make the boys around there pretty well, is there anyone in your Club that isn't Super Powered? With you two and ChrisSpad there are a lot of really nice airplanes coming out of that area.


Maybe it is Aliens, maybe Diggers right, I mean he probably has access to info that the rest of us don't know about being in the Military and all. Yeah Digger, none of us belive that eye Doctor thing... What do you REALLY KNOW?!?!?


I would say that alien intervention would definently dis-qualify you guys, you better fess up or you're gonna be in A LOT of trouble mister...


You get `em Digger, I got yer 6...

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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

This is turning into a great contest. I'm really enjoying watching it. You guys are all craftsmen. Thanks.
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Old 04-07-2003, 11:35 AM
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You da man Jeremy! Looks fantastic
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Default yup, you caught me.....

It was both, photo editing and Aliens


Here are my alien assistants, Eedeet and Eebebab. They are SpaceBugs that are helping me in my quest to crush the nasty Norvelites.


Seriously, thanks guys, Rog I am scared to death over whether it will fly.........
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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

Looks AWESOME.... fast just sitting there in the flesh! WHo needs carbon man, you dont need no stinking carbon!

I met your buddy down in Toledo Saturday at the show. You have to make it next year

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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

Looking good!

Can't wait to hear how she flies and when I can get a copy of the plans...

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Default Got a little more done tonite....

Had a little time, so I spent about 2 1/2 hours fitting the cowl and the cowl mounting blocks. I am a little worried how it will react to the heat given off by the engine...... I guess it oughtta be fine.

Also figured out the final covering scheme (decided against scale...). I used the CAD outlines to plan it. I first drew different striping patterns on the top and side views in CAD. I then printed them in black and white and colored in the stripes several different ways to figure which scheme looked best. I was then able to lay out the graphics using the CAD drawings to make them extra precise. Neatness counts right?

Brian, if this thing flies, you are welcome to try the plans... they are just builders' plans at this point, and not detailed out completely (no labeling).....

I sure as heck hope the finished product flies.........
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Default Design Contest Caudron C-460---Finished

I am sure it will fly fine. Looks like the plane is perfectly proportioned.

Looking forward to seeing your color scheme.

I almost did a Miss Los Angeles....

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Default More progress......

Well, its not lookin good for a testflight, as the winds are blowing just short of 40mph outside right now, and it is supposed to rain this weekend.......

I have had the opportunity to get more done on the Caudron though. I have finished all but a couple of details on the covering scheme, the cowl is painted and finished (first time I have gotten good results with LustreCoat). I also got the tank plumbed, and all the linkages soldered but the throttle linkage.....

I don't know what she weighs, but it is fairly light.

My hope is to testfly this weekend, as I most likely will not be able to after this weekend.

Time to tie up the details and take some pics....
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