Well it flew it off grass and it came off in 350 feet. Use the higher rates recomended for takeoff. Plane is a great flyer, unfortunatly I got bit doing full throttle (40 feet) low passes, choping the throttle then banking hard (sounds and looks cool). I got a little carried away with the yank and it snap rolled and was too low to recover. The plane was amazingly in tact for going straight in at 50 plus. Its still fiberglass and will require a new fuse, but it will have to wait till the turbine gets finished.