RE: What Makes a Good Beginner Plane???-See Here (&download PDF in Post#1)
Foamies, are usually not the best "beginner" planes, which is why larger balsa/ply trainers remain the norm for club instruction and classes.
There certainly are decent "go it alone" foamies out there, including the ones you cite...
However the best single piece of advice you can and SHOULD give to a beginner, even before you start to discuss planes, is to "join a club".
BTW: they can typically obtain larger, better trainers from club members looking to move up...
Many of our newbies this year obtained entire setups from other members for around $100.00 or so.
A great resource: >> >>> [link=http://www.gettingairborne.com/index.html]Click me![/link]