Cool, awesome info fellas. I appreciate this a lot!!! I do have a few df setups that I want to experiment with (and just don't like throwing things away!!!) Carlos, I will give Gary on RCG a holla and see if he wants to part ways with some of his goodies. I like tinkering and just can't seem to get enough of troubleshooting. I would move on to edf, especially if I knew how to get the byron fans converted!?!? I have heard of it, but haven't seen any literature that I can really sink my teeth into, sts. If anyone can point me in the right direction, it would be awesome!!! Thanks...