Robscorc

Iv got the skill to fly 3D. I can hover, but I want to work on rotating 360 degrees while hovering. Im flying a hoped up TWM Ultimate EP biplane with a Park 480 motor. What kind of Gyro would you recommend to stabilize the tail??

Thanks for the help!
RobscoRC

ThumbSkull

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You can torque roll without a gyro. It just takes practice. The really good pilots don't use em.

Robscorc

Yah I know its possible, Im hoping it will help me practice by letting it take over the rudder at first, and gradually with time turn it down till I turn it off.

haasjj

You should check with the manufactures first to make sure they work for planes. As far as I know the Futaba gyro's like the 401 are capable of working in planes. Stay away from the Ace TG 7000, I tried a pair on a plane and in normal flight I was lucky I didn't crash. I could never get the setting correct even though they seemed ok on the ground. Good luck and if you find a gyro that works let me know.

Robscorc

the 401, ah yes. maybe the hobbyking 401 would work then. Atleast its a lot cheaper so if it doesnt work im not out any money.

nitro wing

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The rudder is the most difficult one to master, for scale, sport and 3D.
Do yourself a favour and use the sim to practice or spend the $ on a sim, instead of a Gyro.
You are only cheating yourself, and will likely slow down actual progress in learning.
My take on a gyro is to impress others, with skill you do not actually posess.

I'd suggest working on the set up on your Bipe too, tweaking the aircraft itself can and will have huge impact on how you can make it do what you want. This can take considerable time, but the plane/radio needs to be adjusted to its potential, and to the pilots skills.

Dont fool yourself by saying you can 3D well, hovering is not a skill that makes you a 3D king at all. Controlling any degree as you mentioned is a good start. If and once you get good at that, building on those skills will give an edge over others.

BarracudaHockey

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+1

Buy a sim or a foamie

Dave45

+2

Jezmo

+3
I tried a gyro when I first learned to hover; it made it harder not easier because you are fighting the gyro's input as opposed to the natural movement of the plane. I put in time both on the sim and I bought a foamie. I quickly learned the technique and hovering now comes without even thinking about it.

3DDino

its interesting to know
has anyone used gyro to enhence 3d skill instead of a learning tool
will it be counterproductive
thx

ThumbSkull

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I think using a gyro for 3D is like solving Rubik's cube by peeling off the stickers and re-arranging them.

flygilmore

Word!!!!!!! Come on dude....just practice like the rest of us on a sim and burn some fuel/electrons!!

DEVILDOG

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+ 4 on the sim. Hitting the reset button is alot cheaper than buying antoher or fixing your plane.

You should be able to do basic acrobatics in ALL directions comfortly along with harriers and inverted harriers in ALL directions.
You then, will have what it takes to hover/torque roll comfortly and properly to, if and when you get in trouble, to bail out.

Good Luck[8D]

nitro wing

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Kinda feel bad for shutting the guy down, bottom line is practice as much as possible and fly hard when possible. Loosing a plane or having to rebuild is common when flying advanced, Just be sure its within your budget.

Jezmo

You're right Nitro but if it were me, I would rather have the truth. Truth is, 3D flying takes lots of practice. Basically burn a lot of fuel and then when you think you've got it burn some more. Also, good advice on staying within your budget.

Robscorc

Thank you everyone for your input, it was a big help. Im glad to have gotten so many responses on this topic that has haunted me for a while. Like I mentioned before, I can Hover, I can Harrier, I was looking for something to help me expand. So getting a cheap foamy that will help me practice is going to be the only way. 

nitro wing

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If you have confidence, get a better plane, trying to advance on a no name dud is useless.
If you have the will, character, drive and $, buy an EF, 3d hobbyshop, aeroworks, PA etc.
Theres a few more that can fit lower budgets and work well, just do your homework, most are listed within your range.
Foamies can work extremely well, Try a good reputable one like airfoilz edges etc

Xtra330S

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Robscorc,
Aside from the constructive feedback left by the others, another thought to keep in mind is that most gyros, specifically the Futaba GY401, GY601, and GY611 are designed for 4.8V battery packs and MUST be regulated down to about 5V or so. If this is not done, you WILL create a smoke generator and burn up the gyro and servo. Lots of heli guys figure it out the hard way. Especially if they started out flying airplanes.
I only bring this up because like me (and probably you) most 3D/Aerobatic airplane flyers fly Li-Ion or Li_Po packs and then regulate the voltage down to around 6V to get the additional power and speed out of the servos. There is a solution though. The heli guys get around this by using a regulator that has a 4.8V output for the gyro and a separate adjustable output for the servos.
Again, just something to keep in mind.

Happy Flying,

Xtra330S

P.S. I do agree though. Just go 2 mistakes high and burn more fuel!

Andika

Why dont you get a flybarless system ?
it's the solution if you want 3 axis, you also could get 3 single gyros because you dont have 3 mixed servos for the swashplate.
but if you have no idea about helis forget it, the setup it's not so easy for us heli pilots.
you also have the futaba special gyros for airplanes.. 1 or 2 axis www.keimod.com/shop/product_info.php

JOHNS3D

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using a Gyro is cheating!!!, save money and time for the sim.

ThumbSkull

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We are talking about airplanes here.........

jship

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If you want to get good, theres no substitute for experience.  BURN FULE!

rcflip

I use an old 401 on the throttle, it makes it so much easier!!!

chuck l

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Here's an interesting thread on using gyros in the head holding mode for airplanes that are difficult to keep straight on takeoffs. I'm going to get one for an expensive scale plane that my skill level just can't keep straight on the runway. Yes, I'm working to improve my rudder skills and plan to try the gyro on my foamy before putting it in the big bird. I do agree with others that stick time is very important. I can't hover yet, but getting real close...discovered I need to decrease my rudder corrections, smaller motions not slamming the sticks.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_60...tm.htm#6056543

Chuck

PilotLight

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You can use any gyro whether its rate or heading hold. The HH will be better in my opinion. Eflite G110, G90, Futaba gy240, gy401, Telebee, Hobbyking 401 will all work. There's a thread somewhere that talks about a guy using a Flybarless system on a foamie which is basically a gyro on each axis. He says it flies fantastic as there is NO interaction from one input to the other. The rudder makes the plane yaw and yaw only without rolling or pitching.