jeffsos3000

hello there. i am getting a seagull edge 540 .60 size for christmas to build over the winter. for next flying season. i am pretty new to the hobby but am capable of decent sport flying. but i am wanting to delve into more 3d flight. i have looked up this seagull edge on the internet and on youtube. but i have been unable to get any clear answers or videos as to how it will handle 3d. i am especially wanting to know if it will torque hover or not. i have not been able to find any video of this plane hanging on its prop. i am going to be powering it with a brand new magnum 120 four stroke. so if anyone would be able to tell me if this plan will hover and perform 3d aerobatics. it would be greatley appreciated. also i have a great planes 27% edge 540 that i am going to be initially powering with an asp 1.80 2 stroke. can anyone tell me if this motor will be ebough power for 3d flight. its rated at something like 5.2hp and is a beast of a motor. and is also the top end rated 2 stroke for this plane. the great planes edge is a beautiful plane. would of been nice if it had a t piece wing. but im not going to complain. the price was good on it!. anyway my pla is to use my seagull .60 edge to practice my maneuvers on before attempting the on my large edge. so hopefully the information i have given. will be enough for someone to tell me if the setups i wil be using will be enough power to hover my aircraft.

ThumbSkull

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My suggestion is a lighter airframe to learn 3D on.
3D is much more than hovering and torque rolling. You can do that with a high wing trainer.
You want one that flies light on the wing and is also more economical to fly.
It will take many gallons to learn 3D even on a 55AX or Saito 72.
Yes, as a rule with conventional fuse airframes, bigger flies better, you can get that bigger flight characteristic by being lighter.
I'd get a profile to train on so your big stuff stays in one piece and you don't go broke quenching it's thirst.
IMO, the best place to start learning 3D is with a 60 size profile. The most tried and true is the MoJo60/Saito 100 from Swanyshouse.
If you are not a builder, this is also a great building trainer and they go together pretty fast.
If you are needing an ARF, the OMP ProYak, RazorYak, or Fusion would be good places to start.

Check this thread for some more discussion about airframes for 3D and what 3D really is.
[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10083524/tm.htm]http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_10083524/tm.htm[/link]

lippucci

just orderes an Edge 540 60 size from Horizon. Plan on installing a .91 FS. Anyone have this 540? If so, what engine are you using? Any other suggestions would be helpful. Thanks

V1nn1e

I have a Seagull Edge 540 63".

I have an ASP 91fs (aka Magnum/SC) and it is really a bit underpowered. I would recommend either a 120fs or 91 2st. I'm running a 15x4w APC which I think is a good prop for the airframe but a little too much for my motor.

Apart from that, I'm just getting started in 3D (and have been for the last few seasons!) and it's pretty good at Harrier's/Elevator's (maybe they should be called Lifts in the UK!) - reasonably stable. IMHO it's a pretty benign plane to fly - no nasty tendencies.

Note that I junked the metalwork that comes with it for strengthening the tailplane and instead used 4 lengths of carbon rod CA'd all around between fin/tailplane/fus. Not had any problem with strength.

ThumbSkull

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If it's the Seagull Edge 540, the AUW of near 9lbs is too much for a 91 two or four stroke for good 3D IMO.
I'd go with a OS120AX, Saito 115, YS110. Any of those engines will give you enough power to get out of a hover or trouble.
Gas alternative would be the DLE-20 an I wouldn't recommend any other gas engines.

jeffsos3000

I also have a seagull edge 540 .60 size. Will it sport fly okay on a magnum 91? I was going to put a mignim 120 in it but how on earth are you guys getting them to fit. From what I can see to moutnt my 120 of either have to put the carb inside the firewall. Which means cutting a chunk out of it. Because to stay in the medairment specs distance from firewall to thrust washer I baby seem to get it to work. Even if I go as far back as I can my throttle arm ends up jamed against the firewall. Any info would be great. But if the 91 will dopey fly well then I will put the 91 on it and put my 120 on my 60 size thunder bolt. But would love to know how you are getting 120s mounted in that thing. Is there some simple fix I'm not seeing.

ThumbSkull

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Yeah, it's not the best choice for learning 3D, but you really need more than a .91 will provide for anything more than sport flying.

Elios000

I just built a Seagull .60 Edge and with a Saito 1.00 and total weight is closer to 7lbs then 9
btw a Saito 1.00 really hauls it around even still with it really rich

ThumbSkull

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Horizon, the distributor, lists this at 8.4-8.8lbs. If you got one at 7lbs, you got very lucky.
They rarely under-spec the weight, usually the other way around.
At 7lbs a 100 would be OK.

Jezmo

Pullout from a hover will not be all that great IMHO. Even at 7.5 lbs the pullout will be anemic at best so I like to have around a 2:1 thrust to weight ratio. My favorite saying is "In thrust we trust". Best way I know of to get out of a sticky situation quick.

Elios000

thought id post back with a vid and some pics for now its not bad still running it rich and might be under proped running a 14x6 on it
thinking about trying a 15x7 or 8 maybe a 16x8 thoughts?
and got around to wieghing it just over 7.5lbs wet
any way here are pics and the vid


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpBg8nErWNU

ThumbSkull

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Saito 100 needs a 15x6 for 3D. Much more and it will spool up too slow and run hot under the cowl.

Elios000

ok so a 15x6 is on my shopping list monday
what about a 3 bladed prop? im nut for scale
and what if i want to just fly it Redbull Airrace style? ie VERY fast
right now its on 20% coolpower heli im thinking about going up to 30% after i burn this gallon
last edit you cant see but on the other side the engine is mounted at 45dec with lots of cut out on the bottom and side it gets tons of air

lippucci

About to order the Seagull edge 540. Have a Magnum .91fs which I plan on installing. Any suggestions? Enough power? Prop size suggestions? Any other help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Norm

Elios000

it would be ok for sport flying the Saito 1.00 i have has JUSTenough for 3D but pull out of a hover is a bit lacking

im running a 15x6 on my Saito with 30%nitro not sure what you would run on the Magnum

V1nn1e

lippucci,

I have what I believe is a very similar ASP 91fs in mine. Has been a bit lacking turning a 15x4w on 5% Nitro.

As I've had this plane a while and it's taken one or two knocks, changing the engine seemed a bit OTT, so instead I've gone for a tweak... I've propped-down to a 14x4w and also gone to a 16% Nitro fuel. Flew it on this set-up for the first time last Saturday and the difference is really quite significant. Great vertical and plenty of power to recover when my Harriers go wrong!

Not at the prop-hanging stage yet but got into a really high-Alpha Harrier on Saturday as a first step and certainly didn't have the throttle to the stop by any means.

Only down side is it's clearly revving quite hard and so noise is a bit higher, but fine once you get used to it. Our site is quite noise sensitive and no-one had to have a word with me!!

By chance, because it just happened to be the only 16% I could get my hands on, the fuel has an 18% oil content, with 5% castor. If the engine is working a little harder now this should help to keep it nice and cool. I might even drop-back to some 10% Nitro as I can get this cheaper and reckon it'll still be OK.

Hope that helps.

jphalen

  I have one of these and im having an issue with it rolling off to the right while applying elevator on my low rates. I have used a template an set both elevator halves to 20 degrees. any ideas ???????????????/

Elios000

you could mix a bit extra left side elevator or some left aileron in

gamalierlozada

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Well I just put one of this planes together with an Zenoah 20cc that I had lying in my carport for the las 1.5 yrs. To get more horsepower I put in a tuned pipe and header. Vertical climb is awesome, speed great and even hangs from the prop. I'm swinging a 15x9 at 9,400 RPM and I will try a 16x6. It's incredible the amount of power this little engine puts out with a pipe. I read about the engine HP increase in Tony Clark's website, according to them it said that with a pipe there's an increase of 40%. The engine has 1.7 stock-with the increase 40% increase now is running around 2.8HP which is not bad for a 20cc. Now i can imagine a DLE 20 under the same conditions! Well I will found soon a friend of mine doing the same with the 64" Seagull Edge and a DLE 20. Stay tunned!!

Elios000

thats not a whole lot more then im getting with my 1.00 Saito mind you your getting it for much less fuel
i run a 15x6 on my Saito at the same RPM a 16x6 might work if i wanted to

try a 16x6 Vess Gas prop listed as a 16B

djmp69

For this type of airplane, try to find an os 1.08.  I've heard (but no experience) that the ASP is good too.  I have experience with the OS, and it yanks the Funtana around no problem at 1/2 stick, and only needs about 3/4 stick to pull out of a hover.  Run a wood 16x6, 5% fuel, no high nitro unless you want to spend more time futzing with the engine than flying.  The wingspans are about the same, so is AUW.  The Edge is 8 in shorter in length tho, so if that power plant pulls my plane, then the SG sshould perform very well.  I have an SG 540, 60 size, but decided not to stuff it because I love how the funtana does 3D (going to get the 125x as well), so I'm selling the SG assembled, ready to stuff.  Not sure if the SG will float as well tho, the WL is much lighter on the funtana from what I've read.

Just my 2 cents...

Jordan Dyck

Im running a DLE 20cc on mine and its got lots of power! actly to much prolly! aint had ne prolem balancing it eithr stuck vertical and horizontal stabilizer servos in the back and it balnced perfect wit the 20cc in the nose! runnin a 17x6 prop and hangs at half throttle! don burn hardly any fuel! thats wut i wud recomend for the plane!

Elios000

did the DLE20 fit in the stock mounts? thinking about putting on it my Edge now

Jordan Dyck

ya it did! as you see the mount is 45 degrees kinda lik!!! well i redrilled holes so i wud hav my muffler straight down!!! then had to cut a hol in th fire wall for carb!!! kinda was a pain but it was worth it!!! im glad i did it now!

Night Scream

Hey everyone:
I have this plane mine has an evolution 1.00 2 stroke on the nose and 5 hitec 5645MG servos and this plane will do every manuver in the book.. I have done hovers non stop and allways at less that half throttle.
It's very light and very forgiving if you have the right set up..
Right now i have my balance at 4 3/4 but that's how i like this plane to fly..
If you already know 3d its a good plane cause it flies just like my other 30cc gassers just smaller to transport.
Also flat spins are a breeze in this plane

Heck i even ordered a 2nd one and currently building it cause i'm going to re-use a Saito 100 twin i have and put it on the nose to see how it handles this plane, should have more power and also look more scale