ARTISTIC AEROBATICS- A Good Idea?
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I am wondering what peoples expectation of Artistic Aerobatics are, and their current thoughts regarding the rule limitations. It seems the term AA is used a lot now and has been heartily accepted, especially in Europe. How do people see this progressing and are they satisfied/ excited with the aircraft that are appearing to be used? Does flying to music have a place in this hobby/sport?
AA, as many know has been introduced to promote the sport and in doing so has been accepted in the FAI World Air Games. It is a spectator friendly sport and is exciting to watch, with all pilots of all abilities being able to put on a good show. Would people consider competing or holding an event?
AA, as many know has been introduced to promote the sport and in doing so has been accepted in the FAI World Air Games. It is a spectator friendly sport and is exciting to watch, with all pilots of all abilities being able to put on a good show. Would people consider competing or holding an event?
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Personally I think it's very interesting, but basing an event solely on subjective judging criteria doesn't appeal to me all that much. Don't get me wrong.. the flying can be amazing, and very appealing to the crowds.. but overall I, as a pilot and competitor, prefer precision aerobatics to artistic.
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Its interesting you mention the perceived comparison between F3A and AA. In reality the two are very similiar though the schedule is not not constantly repeated by each pilot in turn. AA is flying a personal schedule to music. It does not HAVE to involve 3D wild style stuff, though in the interests of expanding the discipline rapidly it does require the pilot to be judged on stretching the airframe envelope. It is the overall impression that wins through, displaying a skillfull flight that synchs with the music or in some case a story. I have seen world class pattern flyers fly schedules to music and it looked wonderful. Anybody can compete really, or just fly around on the beat or stabs of the music. It is not really a 'wildstyle' event, though these maneuvers can be flown.... just has to be fast music. AA embraces both fixed wing AND helicopter.
Its interesting you mention the perceived comparison between F3A and AA. In reality the two are very similiar though the schedule is not not constantly repeated by each pilot in turn. AA is flying a personal schedule to music. It does not HAVE to involve 3D wild style stuff, though in the interests of expanding the discipline rapidly it does require the pilot to be judged on stretching the airframe envelope. It is the overall impression that wins through, displaying a skillfull flight that synchs with the music or in some case a story. I have seen world class pattern flyers fly schedules to music and it looked wonderful. Anybody can compete really, or just fly around on the beat or stabs of the music. It is not really a 'wildstyle' event, though these maneuvers can be flown.... just has to be fast music. AA embraces both fixed wing AND helicopter.
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From the outside...
Like pretty much everybody here, I LOVE flying. But I haven't competed in these events, so bear with me...
I've flown RC since the late 1960s, but am one of those who, for one reason or another, never got interested enough or disciplined enough to compete in Pattern. Finally now, I'm interested, if for no other reason than to learn more skills and improve my flying. Some form of combined precision aerobatics and freestyle sure sounds like a winner to me.
I'm a musician, and really don't know how I feel about the music... as long as people use something besides "Danger Zone" or "The Blue Danube". Hey, why not Buddy Rich?
Seriously, anything that forces us to change our way of thinking, and ultimately develop better "stuff", (engines, radios, airframes, skills) is good. The change, good or bad, will end up teaching us all something about new and better "stuff". Personally, I hope that Artistic Aerobatics, or something like it, catches on.
I've flown RC since the late 1960s, but am one of those who, for one reason or another, never got interested enough or disciplined enough to compete in Pattern. Finally now, I'm interested, if for no other reason than to learn more skills and improve my flying. Some form of combined precision aerobatics and freestyle sure sounds like a winner to me.
I'm a musician, and really don't know how I feel about the music... as long as people use something besides "Danger Zone" or "The Blue Danube". Hey, why not Buddy Rich?
Seriously, anything that forces us to change our way of thinking, and ultimately develop better "stuff", (engines, radios, airframes, skills) is good. The change, good or bad, will end up teaching us all something about new and better "stuff". Personally, I hope that Artistic Aerobatics, or something like it, catches on.
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Yes thansk for that... totally agree about that damned "danger zone' track. I'm thinking of producing a 'banned' list in the next rules update!
AA as I said before appeals to all flyers, it challenges both flying and preparation... except the preparation is great fun in finding your own pieces of music or composing/mixing them and THEN seeing if you can fly in time and relevant to the music. The various entry levels of competition in AA will mean that becoming a seasoned competitor will be a good laugh with others as well as a ladder to climb. I recently saw a flyer doing a wonderful show AA style using nothing more than a $150 set-up. It looked and sounded great. Of course I have seen a $3000 set-up look quite nice too
AA as I said before appeals to all flyers, it challenges both flying and preparation... except the preparation is great fun in finding your own pieces of music or composing/mixing them and THEN seeing if you can fly in time and relevant to the music. The various entry levels of competition in AA will mean that becoming a seasoned competitor will be a good laugh with others as well as a ladder to climb. I recently saw a flyer doing a wonderful show AA style using nothing more than a $150 set-up. It looked and sounded great. Of course I have seen a $3000 set-up look quite nice too
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By the way, did anybody attend the Costa Rica fly-in? Maybe they could Email me a few words and pictures for the AA Web site....
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by the way, has anybody tryed a 3W 24 (gas engine) in a F3A/artistic aerobatics plane????
Any comments about it???
thanks in advance
Any comments about it???
thanks in advance
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I don't know of anybody doing it, but there is a design from Wolfgang and Roland based on a Gas engine... it s a weight issue with these type of planes... 2m and serious power and a weight restriction means its glow engines as a norm.
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Originally posted by aolsen
by the way, has anybody tryed a 3W 24 (gas engine) in a F3A/artistic aerobatics plane????
Any comments about it???
thanks in advance
by the way, has anybody tryed a 3W 24 (gas engine) in a F3A/artistic aerobatics plane????
Any comments about it???
thanks in advance
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Yep, that set-up is being used on quite a few planes now.. all coming from the Czech Republic. Wolfgang and Roland Matt have a design based on the Extra that might go well with that engine...
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fast tracks?
I've been trying to do something like this for 3 or 4 years but no one in this area seems to have much interest (but then we only get 5 members out of 60 to show for a funfly). Maybe my approach was wrong, I called it Aerial Dance. I do disagree with the comment that the tracks have to be fast, I feel a slower track highlights smoother more precise maneuvers. The one I practice to is Metallica's "Hero Of The Day" from the S&M album, starts slow but ends fast. U2's Elevation is one I like to fly to also, have also tried Mozart's Adagio cantabile, although it is not well received by my fellow modelers (uncultured hethens) at the field. I guess if you are going to do this you have to play music that appeals to th crowd.
I don't how you you could judge an event like this other than with an applause-o-meter, guess I better go look at the rules
I don't how you you could judge an event like this other than with an applause-o-meter, guess I better go look at the rules
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Yes, have a look, you can download the rules and some music mixes from the WEB site (www.artistic-aerobatics.com). There is no reason music should be fast... or slow for that matter.. you will find that pilots use anything up to 4 tracks in the flight, this allows for various tempo changes. As for judging, well thats not up to the crowd... but ... a great cheer will no doubt influence somebody...
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Re: fast tracks?
Originally posted by flying2bill
I've been trying to do something like this for 3 or 4 years but no one in this area seems to have much interest (but then we only get 5 members out of 60 to show for a funfly).
... although it is not well received by my fellow modelers (uncultured hethens) at the field. I guess if you are going to do this you have to play music that appeals to th crowd.
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I don't how you you could judge an event like this other than with an applause-o-meter, guess I better go look at the rules
I've been trying to do something like this for 3 or 4 years but no one in this area seems to have much interest (but then we only get 5 members out of 60 to show for a funfly).
... although it is not well received by my fellow modelers (uncultured hethens) at the field. I guess if you are going to do this you have to play music that appeals to th crowd.
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I don't how you you could judge an event like this other than with an applause-o-meter, guess I better go look at the rules
Actually it's just a matter of defining precise judging criteria and sticking to them. Look at the judges scoresheet in the Downloads area of the AA web site www.artistic-aerobatics.com, you will understand what I mean.
As for the music, you are right, at least partly, variety and changes in rhythm are necessary. Have you seen Frazer Briggs at the TOC? His routine was built on 7 different music pieces and as many different rhythms. This allows displaying a full range of skills.
So you're from Iowa? If you come to Muncie at the Nationals, talk to Chip Hyde, jason Shulman and Quique Somenzini, they can tell and show you. I heard from Chip he wants competing at the World Grand Prix next year, so obviously he already has a few routines ready!
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Yeah, Brno was a huge success... put Artistic Aerobatics on the map!!! Theres a full report on the WEB site.... www.artistic-aerobatics.com
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Personally, I love watching the high-alpha stuff. But I have been silently wondering this for some time. Why are all TOC (and the like) free style routines done in almost all quick jerky movements of that violent snap and this herky jerky movement? Why not a beautifully choreographed routine similar to what figure skaters are expected to do? One of the most amazing airshow routines I have ever seen was a stunt glider pilot at the NAS Brunswick airshow a few years ago doing the most awesome routine in his glider with beautiful flowing motions and graceful lines. The wing tip smoke really looked great!
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Well, by no way are all AA routines flicks and sudden stunts... certainly the helicopters are quite frenetic but the fixed wing routines are a mix of the two... its interesting you should say that as Judges would be looking for synch to the music and unless your music is fast... to match your routine... you may not score too high.