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Old 07-25-2004, 08:54 AM
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Default SEAGULL HARRIER 90...WHO'S GOT ONE?

The Harrier looks like a winner, but there is very little info available on it. Happily, it is now in stock at Horizon, and I'm looking forward to some first hand reports soon. It looks like the perfect platform for my Saito 100, but I want to hear what some others think before I buy it. It does have come-apart wings with pin-hinged ailerons already attached (how cool is that?), something they don't tell you on the Horizon web page. In fact, there is precious little info available, like the list of hardware it comes with. Let's start a solid string of information.

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Old 07-25-2004, 10:22 AM
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Old 07-25-2004, 10:52 AM
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I got one.
Must be the best ARTF I've ever bought, even better quality than H9 stuff and I have 3 of those (CAP232, 1/3 Su31 and Funtana)
The plug in wings are great, the hardware pack is more than adequate.
The aluminium push rods are very soft, when I put a 90 degree bend in them they cracked at the bend.
The cowl is very solid and well made with a good colour match to the yellow part of the fuse.
The wheel pants seem a little bit flimsy, I wonder how long they will survive.
Canopy already fixed to removable turtle deck, which gives good access to radio gear and tank etc.
There is no vertical fin, rudder sticks on to end of fuse, as fuse is very deep, will be good for knife edging I think.
Laser cut parts, the builder has even used a little filler here and there on minor dents.
All glue joints look good and solid

Engine will be an OS 91 FX with either 16x6 or 16x4 prop.
The engine bay and fire wall are very solidly built to take large engines.
Jr 591 sevos all round.
Even the switch harness hole is cut out for you.

To sum up, there is now way I could have built a model of this quality for £130 GBP
If it were a Kyosho ARTF they would be asking > £250 for it
Very impressed with it indeed.

I am a very happy bunny !
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SPARTAN

MANY THANKS FOR A VERY COMPLETE AND ENCOURAGING REPORT. I'M ORDERING MINE TODAY. MOST ANXIOUS TO HEAR HOW IT FLEW FOR YOU. HANDS ACROSS THE SEA, BROTHER.

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Old 07-25-2004, 02:06 PM
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spartan.....is that the one that pete tindal always has out side of his stand at the shows? looks v. nice, very good price, wonnder if itll go leccy any good?!??
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edible engine

yes, pete tindall had 'em outside his trade tent at the recent weston park and cosford shows.
selling like hot cakes, dunno if he has any stock left.

forgot to mention that the tail plane is wire braced by 8 wires to the top and bottom of the fuse.
comes with clevices and turnbuckle type adjusters, ferrules and nylon coated wire.
once installed, this makes the tailplane very stiff, i'm sure it won't flutter at high speed.
but be warned, making all these wire assemblies up took me about 3 hours and my fingers are quite sore ! but I was watching the F-1 racing from Hockenheim (guess who won, Shoomi) and drinking beer at the same time

I hope to test fly the harrier this week after work.

I'll try and post some pictures and comments later on this week.
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lancair,

I'm pleased to hear you've ordered one.
You will love the build, very easy.

A few things I noticed today:

Engine cooling needs to be considered.
The prop hole in the cowl seems a bit small, so I filed it out to 2" diameter. I will be using a 2 1/4" spinner, this should help to get some more air through the engine bay.

Maybe a picture would help
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Spartan

You're making things very easy for all of us who are interested in the plane, and we all appreciate it. We (I) hope tou hang in with this thread and keep us posted on your experiences and innovations. MANY THANKS!

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I hope this image attchment thing works, lets see
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A thing of beauty. Are you side mounting your engine, or straight up?
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Ok that works.
I'll post some more pictures & comments tomorrow.
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My engine OS 91 FX will be mounted inverted I think.
The cyclinder head will fit inside the cowl this way.
Also the carb throat will be in line with the rectangular cut out in the cowl.

If I mount it sideways, or arrange to have exhaust between undercarriage, I will have to make a huge hole in the cowl for the cylinder head to stick out of.
I will be using a remote glow and remote fuelling valve.
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Old 07-26-2004, 12:31 AM
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Hi guys. very nice looking plane indeed. I'm thinking of getting one but I only have OS120 Surpass available and I wonder if it would't be too heavy for it.
What do you think?
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Canopy & Forward Turtle Deck.

The canopy comes already fixed to the turtle deck.
The cabin area has no floor in it, so you can see into your model.
This isn't a problem because you won't see this in the air.
The canopy is fixed to the fuse by 2 M4 bolts at the rear, and a ply flange at the front that engages a slot in the forward former.


When you fit the canopy to the fuse and do up the M4 bolts, there is a little slop in the front flange/slot.
This could lead to it vibrating in the air. I intend to glue a little mylar film to the top of the flange to take up the slack.
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Tail plane and wire rigging.

When you glue in the tail plane, be sure to use enough glue for strength.
However, if you use too much, the excess will ooze into the rear of the fuse and you won't be able to clean it up.
The covering is transparent so it will look a mess - BEWARE !

The wire rigging is not difficult but time consuming.
I passed the wire thru the ferrule, thru the eye of the turnbukle, thru the ferrule, did a 180 and back thru the ferrule.
So you have 3 wires going thru the ferrule. It's a good tight fit. I then used a proper ferrule crimp tool and borrowed a gorilla from the local zoo to squeeze the crimps. Finished of with a drop a thin CA and tidied up with some heatshrink.
Do go mad with the heat gun or you might burn a hole in that nice blue covering.

I intend to seal the join line, just visible where covering was removed, to stop ingress of fuel & oil.

I adjusted the turn buckles in pairs, top & bottom, and checked there was no bow in the tail plane.
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Spartan... I owe you a pint (at least) Many thanks for making my life easier. I'm looking forward to opening the box by the end of the week. I have a buddy who is also interested in the plane after a hard luck run with a gas (petrol?) powered Patty Wag Extra. This should be a refreshing "welcome back to nitro" plane for him.

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well i've just rolled in from the pub so there will be no more "technical" stuff from me tonite.
I hope to show off the wing mounting tubes etc tomorrow.
I made a bit of a mistake.
I put the switch harness on the same side as the proposed exhaust. It should go on the opposite side to stop it getting gunged up with oil/fuel.
oops ! [:@]
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Fredo...I'm far from an expert on the subject, but I think that you've got too much engine for the plane. It's very light weight and an OS 120 is probably overkill. G'day...Alan
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hay all
getting mine this week.wondering if anyone cg theres yet
what motor? and did you need any weight?
with mine i'm going to use a satio 100 or 120..depending on if i need weight
also any thought on if it needs the 120.and deal with the cg later..
any specs in manual for servos going to use 5945's and 5925'srealfast just put one on my ucdo 46 on rudder
any tips or tricks would be great hoping to start assembling mine this week...
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Hey Danny...I'm using the Saito 100. Just guessing but that should make it slightly tail-heavy. We'll compare notes down at Cedar Creek. Matt should have them in soon!

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Looks nice! Looking forward to hearing the flight report.
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Rudder Control Horn

It's usual to have the control horn holes in line with the hinge line.
If you do this, you won't get the full rudder throw before the rudder control horn hits the side of the fuse.
The TE of the fuse is much wider than the LE of the rudder.
Be sure to follow the instructions and place the rudder control horn further back from the hinge line.
Then you can get max rudder movement, it just touches the elevator.
Hope the pictures explain better.
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Hairy Hinges

These seem to be pre-installed and pinned on kits supplied to the U.S. ?

The kit I have, I had to CA the hairy hinges myself. No pins supplied. Maybe it's something for us "Limeys" to whine about.

I don't think this is a problem, I have a much bigger H9 CAP 232 with MOKI 1.80 with same hinges. They ain't fallen off yet !
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harrier3d is the hairy hindges not pinned i thought they would be pinned...
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I just got mine today looked at it briefly and it is nice covering is great real tight, i was wondering i havent checked the manual yet how do the wings attach to the fuse?? Anyone get this far yet?? Going with a YS 110 16/4 apc wide blade.
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