sorry, but i am definately going to have to disagree with your opinons on, trainers are not 3d planes, i have a member down at my club, with a pheonix classic high-wing trainer, whom can hover, harrier, flat spin, full runway length knife edge's, this plane also has a os 46 ax on it which is plenty of power and i have to admit, i was a sucker after seeings this and went out and bought 1 to muck around with, pity im no where near as good of a flyer as he is
but dont ever say a trainer cant do 3d :P
Another specialty is when he stands it its tail, (balancing it vertically on its rudder and elevator control surfaces, and takes off directly vertical into a hover, thats always fun to watch
