Pitviper51
See my post #48 re the Kyosho Model Z.
Mine has never been near tarmac, most landings are successful if not pretty
If you like the Z, & can pick one up GO FOR IT!!!
Enjoy it & make sure you call your landings nice & loud so your fellow club members can laugh with you!!!!!!!
Cheers
PS. The guys in my club have decided the Z is rated for up to 1/2 a knot of crosswind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!