my 80 was the same also, and i tried the 5-5-1 with my 80 and it didnt work, so i stuck to that old fashion way, but my 60 will go either way, the pop method, or the 5-5-1, i tried it for the helluvit, and that last "1" flip, starts everytime, dont think its any different from flipping to pop, then choke off, either way your flipping around the same amount of times, it was just kinda neat after the 1st flips, to turn the ing on and start it with one flip
