got ya i can say when i came into the hobby my builds with my ARF were pretty bad looking back at it. I would show up at the field so happy and proud. The guys would ask me who built this and I would proudly say i did and the manual says it should have taken 25 hours and I did it in 15 or so. The stb was crock it, the fin would be leaning and i ghob on extra exopy to make sure all my stuff held together. I am sure you all have seen those type of builds show up at the field.