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Building a runway - 11/8/2003 12:18:52 AM   
lbrannan



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I'd like to hear how other clubs have constructed runways. Some questions...

1. If you have one field w/a paved runway and a second with grass - does any club charge more for the guys who fly from the runway field?

2. If you access club members to help construct the runway, what do you do about the members who don't want to support such an expenditure?

3. Is anyone in a RC club that operates like a golf club. They have an expensive asset (golf course) and members join and resign all the time. They are charged an initiation fee when they join and other fees to cover the costs of running the club. Do any of you have stock plans for club ownership?

4. Have some "built it yourselves" versus hiring the paving contractor, etc.?
thanks,

LB
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RE: Building a runway - 11/8/2003 12:26:47 AM   
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Ours is Petromatt. It's a woven matterial like a trompoline. It's been down for 4 years. It has a few prop cuts. They are easily repaired. We have a 45'x500' runway and a 12'x200' ramp. They are commected with three 12' x50' ramps. The whole job cost $3800. We did all the labor. It took eight of us a week of evenings. It is soft like grass and smooth like ashphalt.
In our area the same jog in ashphalt was over $12,000. If you want some more info look at our web site or e-mail me. www.mbcsi.com/flyingaces
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RE: Building a runway - 11/8/2003 3:30:17 AM   
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quote:

1. If you have one field w/a paved runway and a second with grass - does any club charge more for the guys who fly from the runway field?


just try policing that one... keep it simple and charge everyone the same.

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RE: Building a runway - 11/8/2003 3:35:30 AM   
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If your club is large enough to afford the luxory of a paved strip without pricing the club out of business, asphalt is fine.

We have flown off of grass for 20 years with no complaints as our club is small and a paved strip would have been a financial burden on a lot of our members. Personally I prefer grass anyway and usually use the grass strip when visiting clubs with paved strips.

Club members can help out on the labor of putting in a grass strip, but a paved one usually must be contracted out.

I've been to a lot of really good fields that had great pilot facilities and still flew off of grass.

Cajun

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RE: Building a runway - 11/8/2003 5:38:14 AM   
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Runway: 70 x 600 asphalt on top of Class 2 base (what the whole desert is made of). Price $43,000. We did the rough grading and the contractor did even more, and the finish grading. We rolled the strip for a week with a water truck and about 100,000 gallons of water (another benefactor). This price was basically at cost + a small amount for the contractor - he liked the idea.

The field costs us essentially nothing (county park) but the county has not put a dime into it besides a 24" square bronze plaque on a concrete base ($4,000) listing all the country people who wanted to be on it, and nothing about the club that spent all the money, sweated out the details, and blistered their hands in 100+ degree weather for 6 weeks.

We considered grass (too much maintance here in the desert), concrete (twice as expensive) and matting (too porous). Since the kitty had been growing for 10 years, it was capable of paying for the strip with a lot of additional financial help from the members. We've since put in a 30 x 230 concrete pit area (county spilled fuel requirement), commercial shade structure (those square awnings they have at car dealerships), and are putting in a shipping container for a building.

The club has been awarded a "10% of the cost" grant from AMA flying site program which has basically kept us solvent. We still recieve the occasional donation (a water truck, a small street sweeper) and we write tax benefit receipts for those. We're keeping the dues at $150/yr ($65 for seasonal flyers). When we have the improvements we've planned, we'll probably drop the dues to the continuing members and charge an initiation fee.

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RE: Building a runway - 11/9/2003 12:49:08 AM   
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Thanks guys for the great feedback. I checked out your Elk City club web site and copied the two pictures and will use your comments and the pics to make a case for a similar runway.

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RE: Building a runway - 11/10/2003 6:52:57 PM   
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If you want me to mail you a small sample send me an e-mail with your address.
We used two differant grades. The runway is heavier and more UV resistant than the taxi way.
I will send a sample of each if I have both. I can also mail you some pics if there is something specific you want to see.
David

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RE: Building a runway - 11/12/2003 12:30:49 AM   
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What kind of a base do you need for that Petromatt? It sure looks nice.

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RE: Building a runway - 11/12/2003 2:28:33 AM   
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Ours was rolled and packed just like it was going to have ashalt put down. This worked great for us. The club in Amarillo had thiers down before us. They put it right down on the grass. They also have no problems. Ours has a few low spots under it. It washed out a little before our grass filled in. When you walk on it you feel them. However it stretches so tight the first time it gets sun on it, the planes don't feel it. We have had 40% birds at our fly-in with no problems.
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RE: Building a runway - 11/13/2003 5:42:13 PM   
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Sound interesting!!! specially for our field here in the boondocks...
how much does it cost?


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RE: Building a runway - 11/17/2003 2:48:30 AM   
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Ours cost about $3,800. I'm sure it has gone up a little since ours was done.
Here are a few close ups of the seams I promised someone. It also shows the staples that hold it down.
David

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RE: Building a runway - 11/18/2003 3:48:04 PM   
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Our field is deciding to go with a petromat runway, we need about a 300x50 setup.
What size rolls does it come in and whats the cost per roll?

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RE: Building a runway - 11/18/2003 4:17:34 PM   
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Dave,

Please post more information on where to find the material.
Thanks

Mike

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RE: Building a runway - 11/18/2003 6:50:24 PM   
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Our club has a paved runway and a grass one right beside it. We charge a single fee each year and all facilities are open to all members. One thing to consider is maintenance, it does not stop with the installation. We just had a work party last week end to patch the cracks that appear after each Winter. We do set aside money from the dues for the possibility that we might have to repave it, but have new housing developments getting within about a mile now. You can see our set up at www.americanturfflyers.com As far as getting people to help, you just go with those that are willing to help. When we patched last week, we had 8-10 members out of 120. This is pretty much what we see for most projects.

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RE: Building a runway - 11/18/2003 10:06:12 PM   
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Sorry guys. I am still hunting for my info. It has been four years. The Size of a roll depends on which grade of material you buy. The Taxiway material we used is on a 12'x500' roll. The runway material is on a 15'x500' roll. At this point there is no difference in wear on the two surfaces. We chose the heavier material for the runway based mostly on the UV rating. We thought the sun was our biggest enemy. Installation wa