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Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/27/2003 4:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is with people that continue to use the phrase "Heavy Metal" when referring to Warbirds. I even see it in magazines. Don't they know that it is really "Heavy Iron" and refers to the Grumman Iron Works of the WWII era? Heavy Metal is Music. Heavy Iron is Warbirds.

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/27/2003 10:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you might have it wroong......Grumman is referred to as the "Iron Works" and WW2 aircraft are referred to as heavy metal. Check out the history channel sometime and they refer to the warbirds as heavy metal in their adverisements......

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/27/2003 11:29 PM   
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Status: online 		Heavy Iron? Must have got into some bad cheese up there eh? Heavy metal is slang for WARBIRDS.

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What is with people that continue to use the phrase "Heavy Metal" when referring to Warbirds. I even see it in magazines. Don't they know that it is really "Heavy Iron" and refers to the Grumman Iron Works of the WWII era? Heavy Metal is Music. Heavy Iron is Warbirds.


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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/27/2003 11:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry Leo,
kinda missed out on this one Bud

Heavy Metal is for music, but this isnt a music forum.

Heavy Iron is used from time to time, especially with regards to the Reno Racing crowd, but all in all, Heavy Metal typically does refer to the Warplanes of WWII.

Ray

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/28/2003 12:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		actually I like both, heavy metal music and warbirds, but then I am an odd duck, tee hee hee


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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/28/2003 2:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		With the exception of the armor, most of the all metal warbirds were made with aluminum. Because aluminum is metal and not iron, it makes sense why one would call them "heavy metal"

Whether you are talking about WWII aircraft or music, IMO they both rock!

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/28/2003 3:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's about time someone clarified this term. I have been meaning to do this for some time now.
Folks... "Heavy Metal" is a music "form".
"Heavy iron" referes to War birds.
It's just that "Heavy Metal" rolls off the tongue a little easier the "Heavy Iron" because it's a more commoly useed term.
I don't know why... it just is..."HEAVY IRON".
I don't know of any other(or heard of) meaning other then "HEAVY IRON".
Material used has NOTHING to do with it.
As for the History Channel being the quintisential bench mark? Think again.
HARDLY! They have been wrong more then once.

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What is with people that continue to use the phrase "Heavy Metal" when referring to Warbirds. I even see it in magazines. Don't they know that it is really "Heavy Iron" and refers to the Grumman Iron Works of the WWII era? Heavy Metal is Music. Heavy Iron is Warbirds.


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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/28/2003 3:03 AM   
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What is with people that continue to use the phrase "Heavy Metal" when referring to Warbirds. I even see it in magazines. Don't they know that it is really "Heavy Iron" and refers to the Grumman Iron Works of the WWII era? Heavy Metal is Music. Heavy Iron is Warbirds.


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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/28/2003 3:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, I have taken a practical approach to this . I went google.com, and put in "heavy metal" & warbirds,and ran a search. Then I put in "heavy iron" & warbirds. Twice as may pages for "heavy metal, as for "heavy iron".
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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/28/2003 4:03 AM   
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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/28/2003 9:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		having been both a military pilot and commercial airline pilot i've always used and heard the term "heavy iron" when dealing with any large aircraft. i've never once heard the term "heavy metal" used in regard to aircraft. now, whether that term originated during WWII i don't know. maybe some of our WWII vets will answer that question for us.

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/29/2003 5:18 AM   
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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/29/2003 5:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL,this is as cute topic,now Heavy Iron is my world and belive me they dont fly.

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/29/2003 5:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Terry,

Thanks for going to the source to get an answer to this most important question. So, Lt. Col. Monroe Williams says that neither of these terms were used during the Second War. Guess we're all wrong, eh, guys?

Let's cut the bunk and go fly!

Al

40's style heavy metal/iron!

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/29/2003 5:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was surprised by the answer because I always heard them referred to as Heavy Metal. Col Williams flew P-47 ground pounding missions and P-51 escort missions during WWII and still flies his virtual P-51 online with Janes WWII Fighters.

I will have some gun camera film from Col Williams on site soon. One shows him attacking a train and another a truck on a bridge.

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/29/2003 5:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you, Paul. "Heavy metal" in reference to WWII aircraft is a modern term and was unknown in WWII. My dad flew TBM's and SBD's in the Pacific and had no idea what I was referring to when I first used the term heavy metal in reference to WWII aircraft. He just laughed when I explained it. He said the only reference he could think of like that would be that they sometimes called Grumman the "Grumman Iron Works" because of their aircrafts' toughness and surviveability in combat - it had nothing to do with their weight. I never heard him (or anyone else from that era, either) use the term "heavy iron" in relation to aircraft.

He's passed now and I sorely miss him.

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/30/2003 2:56 AM   
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Obviously, I never knew your father but I am, none the less, grateful to him for his service. I am sorry to hear of his passing. We, as a nation, owe so much to the men and women of our parent's generation. Let us never forget their sacrifices and the freedoms we now have because they did what they knew was right.

I have an uncle that landed on Utah Beach June 6th of '44 with the 4th Infantry Divison. He lived for seven days. I wasn't born until 1949 but I have tried to honor him every day of my life. With the passing of this generation so blurrs the history and perspective of events. It is up to us to keep an honest and factual account of what actually occured. Let none of these men and women pass without the world knowing their contribution.

I hope you have pictures of your dad's aircraft. What a wonderful subject to model! In a very small way, it would be quite a homage to your father.

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/30/2003 1:42 PM   
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your post was touching. i agree wholeheartedly with you about keeping an honest and factual account of what really happened.

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RE: Heavy Iron not Heavy Metal - 12/30/2003 7:05 PM   
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