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Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 7/23/2004 10:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have just completed my F22 Raptor and after doing a search here and reading some of the posts, I am a bit nervous to maiden it- I would hate to stuff it in on launch or something. I was planning on using a 3 cell 2100 li poly for it's first flight so I can be sure I have the power to get it airborne on the launch, other than that I want to fly it on a 2 cell, but don't know if it will have the power to hand launch it with a 2 cell. I am hoping the light weight of the 2 cell vs the higher voltage of an 8 cell pack will kind of equal things out. Any thoughts here before I try this?

Just in case things don't go well, I have some before pics I will post so it can be remembered for what it was . I didn't go with the military camo scheme because I wanted to be sure to see it in the air.. I just need to get some stars for the blue portion of the flag- I tried cutting them out of the vinyl and it didn't go as planned, so I will just get some stick on ones. Thanks in avance

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 7/24/2004 1:31 AM   
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Nice photos man...the Raptor looks great! As far as flying goes, I would stick with the 3S Lipo pack instead of the 2S. You may be able to launch it on the 2S, but I would have to experiment first, like throwing it off a hill to see if there is enough to climb out. Risky for a new model imho. The 3S will be plenty to get it up an should be fun to fly. Good luck and let us know about the maiden.

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 7/24/2004 6:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the compliments. Let's see, first attempt- 3 cell lipo- launched decent, control "horn" came unglued from the rear elevon shaft and it crashed from about 10' breaking the nose off . Got home, glued the nose back on (I love foamies !!!), reglued the control horn and drilled a small pilot hole in each one and put a screw through them to prevent that from ever happening again!!! Second attempt, had a bit too much down trim, so it skimmed the ground on takeoff causing the prop to spin off (unthreaded the nut and the locknut I had holding it!!)- back home again for one last repair. Back to the park, this time with CA, accelerator, prop nuts, and some tools in tow . By this time it was kind of "too windy to fly", but I was determined. Third attempt- tossed it into a good headwind to try use it to my benefit for a launch, took off and flew very nicely- barely got blown around by the wind did a couple of circles of the park while trimming it and the motor burned out from the 3 cell.. Luckily it happend in a head wind and it slowly glided in- prefect landing too- got lucky!! Soo, off to the hobby shop for my new Python 200 brushless "outrunner", Graupner 8x4 prop and Jeti speed controller. Just got done with the swap. Will have more info on how it flies tomorrow, but that setup with the right prop and a 2 cell *should* fly almost like it did on the stock motor and the 3 cell- with the 8x4 prop and a 3 cell it damn near went straight up out of my hands on the "bench test" - at full throttle with me holding it centered, it will climb slightly vertical, so I should be happy with the results.

Luckily the break today was minor and the crack isn't visible after glueing it, I was quite depressed to see it sitting htere in two pieces.

I really think that although they have the power to fly decently stock, models such as this are well underpowered and only make for disappointing flight attemps by someone who worked hard to build a nice model. I was worried before launching it that something like this would happen. Being a Jet, I know they fly by speed, not by torque- but being a parkflyer, they should add a bit more thrust in exchange for some top end speed to make it easier on the newbies with this type of plane- would make it much easier to launch. I will say though that this is the first wattage (not that I have a lot) that i have had this complaint about. The hyper wing and mad max (this is also a bit underpowered, but flies nicely) are really nice flyers right out of the box. Thanks again for the compliments.
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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 7/25/2004 10:30 PM   
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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 7/26/2004 8:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I gotta get ahold of a cam corder or something and tape it, mine was dropped a while back and hasn't worked since. It flies nicely with the brushless, but not as powerful as I was hoping. I had some issues though that I just found a little while ago that will probably help greatly- mt prop was just a touch loose on the prop adaptor causing it to spin off balance and vibrate horribly at full throttle AND the set screw hoding the motor into the mount was too tight (motor "snout" sits in a round mount with a set screw holding it) and it was actually causing the shaft to spin a bit on the rough side- think it was forcing the bearing out of round. Both are not good for amp draw or making max power. I'll see how it goes tomorrow. I did have a screw up today that caused me to make new vertical stabs when I got home . Forgot to switch the TX from my wing to this one- I am in the habit of looking down for "elevon" on the display, not model # since I only had one elevon plane flying before. And, of course everything is reversed from one to the other, so while launching since I always have to hold a good amount of right stick to it to stop it from torque rolling, it rolled completely over and landed on it's lid ripping both stabs off. Not a biggie, just really sucks when this stuff happens . I have a few sheets of 6mm depron, so it is back togehter again. They just don't look as nice as the stockers since they were a lot thinner on the leading and trailing edges. plane looks fine though for having about 10 flights and 2 decent "oopsies" on it. Just has the typical foam scuffs that these foamies tend to get. Touching them up now though .
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One you get that brushless motor in, try and post some videos of your f-22! And nice job painting it, it looks really cool.

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 7/28/2004 3:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a picture of mine touching down.

Video: www.streamload.com/JIMinKENTUCKY/WattageRaptor.wmv Right click and "save as"

Pics and specs: www.jims-rc-flight.com/raptorpics.html

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 7/28/2004 5:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		nice. I love the way these planes come in. I have nowhere to take off and land from a runway, so I have to hand launch and belly land it in the grass .
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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 10/24/2004 10:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I busted the nose off mine 3 times before I figured out my trim problem. Fortunately a little epoxy fixed it fine each time. Follow the directions and put in the up trim as shown in the manual- VERY IMPORTANT! You need the up trim or you'll drive it in the ground on launch like I did. Also, even with the up trim my launches were a hairy and nervous experience at first. I them started launching it with a running start and that made all the difference in the world. Perfect each time. While it flew ok stock, it didn't perform to what I would expect from a "jet". So I put a Mega brushless motor 16-15-6 with an 8x4 prop and wow what a difference! I use a 3 cell 2200mha Lipo battery and it has unlimited vertical performance. I launch it with about 1/2 throttle as if I use full throttle the torque at the low speed wants to make the plane roll. I get long flight times with that battery and it is fun to fly. It performs and looks great at speed or you can fly it slow to just relax or if you are still learning to fly. (I would not recommend learning to fly with it as it will roll real fast and you can easily get screwed up not knowing if you are right side up or upside down. Putting some bright strips of tape on the wing tips helps me stay oriented. The camo color scheme is easy to make you get confused if you are not an experienced flyer. I'm intermediate and the plane can be a medium slow fun flyer or a fast nimble flyer for my capabilities - anything more I'd crash.
For a while I had retracts on the plane but the weight of the landing gear and 3 extra servos took away a lot of the performance. So I tore them out and belly land it on grass.
The F22 is one of my cheaper, easy and fast to build kits, that I like a lot (with the brushless gear).
Kwiktsi, are you still flying your F22?

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 10/24/2004 5:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I actually haven't flown it in a while. I moved a few months back and when I was setting up the new apt., it was on the floor in front of the window- figuring it was a "safe" spot- needless to say someone walking a dog walked by and my dog went nuts jumping all over my planes (Pico Tiger moth, Formosa, Hyper wing, Raptor, and a stick plane- Ellipstick) . They are all repaired now except the raptor. I ordered a new fuselage from Wattage and actually need some odds and ends for it still, I was hoping to do it by winter so I could fly it but other things keep coming up. I may swap the motor also, I think this one is too big for it and requires too much to make it really fly- I have it running on 2 1500 2 cell thunder powers in a SERIES!!! I think a larger 3 cell may work too, so I will try that before getting another motor for it. Has a lot of dead weight now though between the motor weight and the clay in the nose to compensate. Now you got me thinking about it, maybe I'll pull it out and at least get it painted today lol.
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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 10/24/2004 6:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh man, that stinks - all of them getting damaged at once like that without even having had the fun of doing it yourself! That reminds me of a friend's son who built a very nice rocket that looked like a Blackbird. He launched it and it went up and came down perfect. Then this big lab went running out to it and decided to retireve the rocket. It was funny as heck seeing him chase the dog to try to get it out of his mouth. The rocket didn't look quite the same when he finally got it back!

With my F22 I have to put the 3 cell pack all the way to the front but it balances right without any extra weights added. I think I hollowed out a bit more on the front so I could get the pack futher forward and the CG right. When I used the NiMh cells I had to do the opposite to shift the weight to the back more. This is my first all foam plane and I like how easy they are to repair and build. I bought a cheap $5 airbrush gun that makes it look nice after those minor (and some not so minor) repairs.

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 11/4/2004 10:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey- do you have a link to the motor you used? Or more info on it? I am thinking of using the Python in a Wattage Mad Dog I just purchased and would like something different for the Raptor. Thanks.
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Oh man, that stinks - all of them getting damaged at once like that without even having had the fun of doing it yourself! That reminds me of a friend's son who built a very nice rocket that looked like a Blackbird. He launched it and it went up and came down perfect. Then this big lab went running out to it and decided to retireve the rocket. It was funny as heck seeing him chase the dog to try to get it out of his mouth. The rocket didn't look quite the same when he finally got it back!

With my F22 I have to put the 3 cell pack all the way to the front but it balances right without any extra weights added. I think I hollowed out a bit more on the front so I could get the pack futher forward and the CG right. When I used the NiMh cells I had to do the opposite to shift the weight to the back more. This is my first all foam plane and I like how easy they are to repair and build. I bought a cheap $5 airbrush gun that makes it look nice after those minor (and some not so minor) repairs.


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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 11/5/2004 12:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		It has been a while since I purchased it but at the time it seemed like the most bang for the buck. I got the motor (Mega 16-15-6) and brushless ESC (Castle Creations Phoenix 25) as a combo deal directly from Mega Motor USA. I forgot what I paid for it but they gave me a price that was within $5 of the cheapest place I could find on-line for the items combined. The Link to Mega Motor is: http://www.megamotorusa.com/ The link to the specific motor info is: http://www.megamotorusa.com/Brushless/ACn16-15-6.htm?id=5

I had a little problem finding the motor mount but finally found it at a local hobby store. Forget what it is called. Very easy to adapt the Mega Motor to the Raptor with the mount I used. I've attached a photo showing the mount if you are interested in trying to find the same one. I think it may be made by a German company but I may be way off on that - that just came to mind for some reason.

The price listed on their site now is $99.99 for the motor and $79.95 for the ESC. I think I called them and they either matched a combo price I got elsewhere or they gave me a good deal on a combo price.

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 11/5/2004 1:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kwiktsi and PilotSmith, here's a site that sells brushless motors for much less. www.allerc.com

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 11/5/2004 6:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Zagi-XS FatalFlyer, try allerc.com their prices are good , free shipping on orders over $100 and quick shipment. My preference would be a Mega 16/15/4 with a 6 x 4 APC prop or a carbon fiber 5 x 5 prop.
The Mega 16/15/6 max amp is 18, the 16/15/5 is 20 amp and the 16/15/4 is 25 amps. I would try a Poly Quest 3 cell 2600 mah 12c lipo ( also from allerc.com ) I fly a Wattage Mirage 2000 with a Razor RZ 2500 and it is a rocket!
The Raptor is bigger and heavier so I would go with the Mega.

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 11/17/2004 3:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info!!
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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 11/17/2004 8:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've purchased quite a few things from this hobby store in Japan. I get the items faster than when I order stuff here is the USA. Shipping from Japan to USA is only $2.50. I don't know how they do it but for $2.50 shipping I usually get my orders in just 3 days!
http://www.aircraft-world.com/default.asp

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 12/20/2004 5:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about a F22 raptor with vector thrust?
Check out the video http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305004
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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 12/20/2004 11:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cool mod. I thought at first he pushed the CG far back. When I get bored with my current setup I may give that a try. This weekend I sanded down the "intakes" a bit. They appear to be a source of drag. Trying to get some more speed out of the F22. Thanks for posting the link with the vector thrust info.



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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 12/20/2004 10:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		woodduck, could you please give me some
details on your Mirage 2000 set up with the razor 2000,
like the prop, current draw, cell pack, speed, AUW....

I have a mega 4t with 5.5x4.5 APC, 10x1100 GP. It has
out of sight vertical and decent speed like 85mph, but
it is quite heavy, like 18.5 oz. I want to build the next mirage
lighter and it seems like your rz2500 is the way to make
the mirage lighter and better.

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 12/21/2004 12:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		You guys know why the Watt-age F22 and Mirage are no longer sold? I was thinking of trying out the Mirage but can't find it for sale. (By the time I finish all my sanding for less air resistance my F22 may look like a Mirage!) The F22 is a nice cheap kit and holds up great if you make a few modifications. The stock plane is not very strong and I doubt it would last very long before losing a taileron.

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 12/21/2004 2:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		the wattage mirage 2000 and F22 use the same wing.
But the mirage airframe is sleeker, flies faster, more nimble in the air
than the F22. However the Mirage 2000 is kind of tricky to launch
and sensitive whilst the F22 is very stable, slower, very easy
to hand launch and land. Just do not know why they are discontinued.
They were the best pusher jets out their though.
Probable because the sale was not that good

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 1/10/2005 12:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Women just don't get it! Ok, my F22 has had more face lifts than Phillis Diller but is that so bad? You'd think I was out with another woman the way my wife is jealous of the time I spend messing with my planes. In my quest to tinker I have removed my Mega 16-15-6 w/ 8x4 prop and replaced it with a RCer 15-3 motor with a 5x5 prop. I wanted to get the F22 look back again so I sanded some more to put back the intake protrusions I had sanded away to get a less draggy airframe. I also hollowed out the intake ducts so that I could get air through to the ESC and also provide more cooling to the motor. (Dang, those open ducts just seem like they are begging for a Mini Fan now...) Air brush out again and took off the orange and resprayed the camo. I'm hoping that with the practice I have now I won't have as hard of a time figuring out if I am upside down without the orange tips. I can't believe I've flow this thing for as long as I have without destroying it! Once the rain pauses I am out to try the 3 turn brushless. I'm hoping it will push her faster than the 15-6. I think it should as it is eating up 9-10 more amps than my Mega motor. Below are the varied faces of me F22. Bottom right is the latest. I'll report how it flies with the 15-3 soon I hope.


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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 1/18/2005 2:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I love my Raptor. Its had some rhinoplasty too I think Wattage was issued cease and desist order by Lockheed Martin on the Raptor model. There was licensing issues in the use of the F-22 design, Lockheed name etc... Theres no rational business reasoning here. Lawyers.

There are new companies coming out of China that are exporting to Austrailia. Sooner or later we'll be able to go through Autrailian dealers for "banned" models. The Align F-16 is only 35 bucks plus 20 bucks shipping from Taiwan; its not legally licensed for sale in the US market but youcan order one for personal use if you catch my drift... 55 bucks; same as GWS.

Anyway, I've been flying my Raptor on a simple long can 400 (permax480) and 15amp speed controller and it really tears it up! Tailerons are a little sketchy at slower speeds. But other than that it flys great. I cant imagine a Mega BL in this guy! I really love this plane.

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 1/18/2005 8:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I think I screwed up in opening up the intakes. The guys in the jet forum said I created air brakes by doing that. The airplane was not any faster with the 3 turn motor. That really puzzled me. Then I realized that when I swapped out the 6 turn for 3 turn motor was when I also opened up the intakes. So I am wondering if the added drag of the open intakes took away any performance gain from using the 3 turn motor. So I have now covered up the intakes and need to get some free time to see how she does with the 3 turn and no "air brakes".

Kamikazi2, Yeah I like this plane a lot too. It is going on being the longest lasting plane I have had without a major crash. That says a lot as historically my planes have not lasted that long. I've started flying again about a year ago after about a 12-14 year break when job and family left no time for hobbies. I don't know if I've gotten better flying with age or if the F22 is just more forgiving than my less fortunate planes. Wow, electric planes have come a long way since then. Back then I flew fuel planes. Electric is so much more convenient. I just pop a couple batteries in my pocket, grab the plane and radio, and I am ready to fly!

I'd really like to try an EDF next. Maybe something like the HET FA-18 ( http://www.rtmodels.com/ARF_FA-18.htm ). Or maybe just hollow out my F22 and put a Mini Fan 480 in it. Do you have a link to the $35 "banned" planes?

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RE: Wattage F22 Raptor pics/questions - 1/18/2005 8:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a link to a great brushless setup for the Raptor...it flies like an ANIMAL!!! I believe this guy used a Mega 16-15-7, but will get more details. Pilot, yea, you did add drag with hollowing the ducts...just glue in a couple pieces of balsa plate to cover them.

Monster Raptor- http://www.rocketryforum.com/reviews/raptor/raptorbrushless.wmv

I have two of these birds, the unbuilt one will get the setup in the movie.

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