differential ailerons in aerobatic model
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differential ailerons in aerobatic model
What is the explanation for the differential ailerons effect in aerobatic model?
In a non aerobatic flight the extra drag from the down aileron causes the nose to yaw toward the high wing (out of the turn)
But why a continuous aileron input (model is rolling continuously), although the aileron with excess drag apears symmetrically on each side of the model (changes each half a roll) model heading will veer unless you compensate with more deflection on the down aileron?
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Yoav
In a non aerobatic flight the extra drag from the down aileron causes the nose to yaw toward the high wing (out of the turn)
But why a continuous aileron input (model is rolling continuously), although the aileron with excess drag apears symmetrically on each side of the model (changes each half a roll) model heading will veer unless you compensate with more deflection on the down aileron?
Thanks,
Yoav
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RE: differential ailerons in aerobatic model
ORIGINAL: ytell
What is the explanation for the differential ailerons effect in aerobatic model?
What is the explanation for the differential ailerons effect in aerobatic model?
In a non aerobatic flight the extra drag from the down aileron causes the nose to yaw toward the high wing (out of the turn)
But why a continuous aileron input (model is rolling continuously), although the aileron with excess drag apears symmetrically on each side of the model (changes each half a roll) model heading will veer unless you compensate with more deflection on the down aileron?
If a model needs differential ailerons to cure a problem, the problem is often caused by forces differential ailerons introduce. Otherwise, introducing differential won't perfectly cure the problem.
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RE: differential ailerons in aerobatic model
Does the location of the wing in relation to the fuse, e.g. high versus low make a significant difference in the amount of aileron differential a model may requuire ?
Karol
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RE: differential ailerons in aerobatic model
in an aerobatic plane, the differential is utilized to cancel the "Up Trim" a postively stable airplane has rigged between the wing and tail...
an aerobatic plane that has neutral pitch stability will need no differential...
it can occasionally be required to compensate for other asymetries such as an offcenter hingeline.
an aerobatic plane that has neutral pitch stability will need no differential...
it can occasionally be required to compensate for other asymetries such as an offcenter hingeline.
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RE: differential ailerons in aerobatic model
ORIGINAL: mithrandir
in an aerobatic plane, the differential is utilized to cancel the ''Up Trim'' a postively stable airplane has rigged between the wing and tail...
an aerobatic plane that has neutral pitch stability will need no differential...
it can occasionally be required to compensate for other asymetries such as an offcenter hingeline.
in an aerobatic plane, the differential is utilized to cancel the ''Up Trim'' a postively stable airplane has rigged between the wing and tail...
an aerobatic plane that has neutral pitch stability will need no differential...
it can occasionally be required to compensate for other asymetries such as an offcenter hingeline.
Kurt
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RE: differential ailerons in aerobatic model
ORIGINAL: Bozarth
Please elaborate. Is the ''Up Trim'' creating a force up or down?
Kurt
ORIGINAL: mithrandir
in an aerobatic plane, the differential is utilized to cancel the ''Up Trim'' a postively stable airplane has rigged between the wing and tail...
an aerobatic plane that has neutral pitch stability will need no differential...
it can occasionally be required to compensate for other asymetries such as an offcenter hingeline.
in an aerobatic plane, the differential is utilized to cancel the ''Up Trim'' a postively stable airplane has rigged between the wing and tail...
an aerobatic plane that has neutral pitch stability will need no differential...
it can occasionally be required to compensate for other asymetries such as an offcenter hingeline.
Kurt
Positively stable in pitch is the description of a trim condition that returns the pitch of a model to level flight when the pitch has been displaced from level flight. There isn't an up or down in that description, but there is a 'toward the canopy' and 'toward the gear' orientation.
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RE: differential ailerons in aerobatic model
ORIGINAL: Bozarth
D.A. Rock,
I understand stability but I was hoping the previous poster would elaborate on his statements. I don't understand his comments.
Kurt
D.A. Rock,
I understand stability but I was hoping the previous poster would elaborate on his statements. I don't understand his comments.
Kurt
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RE: differential ailerons in aerobatic model
really simple... the differential effectively decreases the relative angle of one wing more than it increases the angle of the other wing with respect to the stab.... (When ailerons are deflected)
It essentially nulls the "Positive" rigging during a roll...(between the wing and stab)
take a plane that is stable in pitch, and do a downline roll... it will still barrel or spiral a little.... (when theoretically the wing isn't lifting right?)
now take that same plane, find the "Down Elev" trim position so it truly dives straight down with no pull out..... and it will roll axially....
the differential nulls the positive rigging from the tail
another experiment is to put just a tiny bit of Down Elev mixing with aileron.... like 1%... with no differential... now do a roll....
there can be other causes to a peculiar rolling plane... example could be dihedral, a tall vertical... a highly fwd swept aileron hinge line....
It essentially nulls the "Positive" rigging during a roll...(between the wing and stab)
take a plane that is stable in pitch, and do a downline roll... it will still barrel or spiral a little.... (when theoretically the wing isn't lifting right?)
now take that same plane, find the "Down Elev" trim position so it truly dives straight down with no pull out..... and it will roll axially....
the differential nulls the positive rigging from the tail
another experiment is to put just a tiny bit of Down Elev mixing with aileron.... like 1%... with no differential... now do a roll....
there can be other causes to a peculiar rolling plane... example could be dihedral, a tall vertical... a highly fwd swept aileron hinge line....