How many share runways with full scale?
12-07-2010, 11:42 AM
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How many share runways with full scale?
I'm trying to get some idea of how many clubs are in the same position as one of mine. We have an agreement with the county airport management that allows our club to fly on a WWII-era training strip. It is an active, uncontrolled airport - just a paved runway in the middle of nowhere, occasionally used by cropdusters, student pilots, and drug runners. Our county has several of these, and we've been fortunate to have access to one or another for about 60 years. I am trying to establish that this is not a unique situation in the event that the FAA SUAS regulations make someone nervous....
If you know of a club with a similar arrangement, please post. I'd like to be able to point out that X clubs in Y states have these agreements - it's comforting to bureaucrats to know they are not alone in allowing something.
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If you know of a club with a similar arrangement, please post. I'd like to be able to point out that X clubs in Y states have these agreements - it's comforting to bureaucrats to know they are not alone in allowing something.
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12-07-2010, 05:30 PM
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
Trent,
The RGV Aces flying out of Donna, Texas, shares a grass field with an active crop dusting operation. We ensure safe operations by always being in radio contact with the pilots and never flying without a second competant R/C pilot watching out as safety pilot.
It is quite simple to co-exist as airspace is large and when using common sense and rules safety can be assured. It is the reckless "entitled" pilots that cause grief at sanctioned fields. We don't need the AMA to be safe; we are safer than the majority of AMAfields that I have ever flown at.
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The RGV Aces flying out of Donna, Texas, shares a grass field with an active crop dusting operation. We ensure safe operations by always being in radio contact with the pilots and never flying without a second competant R/C pilot watching out as safety pilot.
It is quite simple to co-exist as airspace is large and when using common sense and rules safety can be assured. It is the reckless "entitled" pilots that cause grief at sanctioned fields. We don't need the AMA to be safe; we are safer than the majority of AMAfields that I have ever flown at.
Bliksem
12-07-2010, 05:44 PM
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
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Trent,
The RGV Aces flying out of Donna, Texas, shares a grass field with an active crop dusting operation. We ensure safe operations by always being in radio contact with the pilots and never flying without a second competant R/C pilot watching out as safety pilot.
It is quite simple to co-exist as airspace is large and when using common sense and rules safety can be assured. It is the reckless ''entitled'' pilots that cause grief at sanctioned fields. We don't need the AMA to be safe; we are safer than the majority of AMA fields that I have ever flown at.
Bliksem
Trent,
The RGV Aces flying out of Donna, Texas, shares a grass field with an active crop dusting operation. We ensure safe operations by always being in radio contact with the pilots and never flying without a second competant R/C pilot watching out as safety pilot.
It is quite simple to co-exist as airspace is large and when using common sense and rules safety can be assured. It is the reckless ''entitled'' pilots that cause grief at sanctioned fields. We don't need the AMA to be safe; we are safer than the majority of AMA fields that I have ever flown at.
Bliksem
12-07-2010, 06:52 PM
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
The Indy Westside club resides at Indianapolis Executive Airport. (not the big one, of course)
I don't fly there anymore, but they are still active.
http://www.indywestrc.org/
I don't fly there anymore, but they are still active.
http://www.indywestrc.org/
12-07-2010, 07:11 PM
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
I can think of at least 3 clubs that I am active at in Alabama that either share the same runway or same air space. I belong to an rc club in eastern Alabama that doesnt share the same runway with a full scale but more or less the same air space. The full scale runway goes in one direction and the rc runway goes perpendicular to it and is located on the base leg.
Another club I am not a member of but sometimes fly there is located parallel with a full scale runway and they have to have spotters fly with them to look out for full scale planes and of course they have a hight restriction that they can not exceed.
And the third rc club is located on a privately owned air strip where the owner owns a full scale cessna 182. The owner rarely flys his full scale plane anymore but he allows the rc guys to keep the runway mowed tight and lets them fly RC all year round.
Another club I am not a member of but sometimes fly there is located parallel with a full scale runway and they have to have spotters fly with them to look out for full scale planes and of course they have a hight restriction that they can not exceed.
And the third rc club is located on a privately owned air strip where the owner owns a full scale cessna 182. The owner rarely flys his full scale plane anymore but he allows the rc guys to keep the runway mowed tight and lets them fly RC all year round.
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
Indy Westside "resides" on the airport property, but not anywhere near the runway. That airport is way too busy for sharing the runway.
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12-07-2010, 08:22 PM
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
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Indy Westside ''resides'' on the airport property, but not anywhere near the runway. That airport is way too busy for sharing the runway.
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Indy Westside ''resides'' on the airport property, but not anywhere near the runway. That airport is way too busy for sharing the runway.
Ken Erickson
No, we did not share it, but the airspace.
No problems that I know of, and I don't think it is any busier now than then.
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
Trent,
Tri Cities R/C Fliers at the Grand Haven Memorial (3GM) Lat 43.03654060088469 Long -86.20229244232178 alongside runway 18 and Grand Valley R/C at Jablonski Airport (33C) Lat 43.081799141523724 Long -86.09234869480133. Both require a spotter when flying. Here are a couple of links that should help in your research.
http://www.runwayfinder.com/
http://www.getlatlon.com/
http://www.rcairfields.com/
Regards
Frank
Tri Cities R/C Fliers at the Grand Haven Memorial (3GM) Lat 43.03654060088469 Long -86.20229244232178 alongside runway 18 and Grand Valley R/C at Jablonski Airport (33C) Lat 43.081799141523724 Long -86.09234869480133. Both require a spotter when flying. Here are a couple of links that should help in your research.
http://www.runwayfinder.com/
http://www.getlatlon.com/
http://www.rcairfields.com/
Regards
Frank
12-11-2010, 07:51 PM
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
Some Jet friends periodically use an airport nearby with the permission of the FBO operator. I will not reveal the location.
01-05-2011, 08:50 PM
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
Remember if this is a concern of the sUAS provisions, one of the "rumoured" restrictions would be prohibiting model operations within a certain distance of an "airport" (5 miles?)
Of course no one knows what the sUAS NPRM will be, but this is one of the topics of discussons.
Of course no one knows what the sUAS NPRM will be, but this is one of the topics of discussons.
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot
Is California closing down model clubs at private fields? Or just the public funded fields?
Is California closing down model clubs at private fields? Or just the public funded fields?
01-11-2011, 06:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: Sport_Pilot
Is California closing down model clubs at private fields? Or just the public funded fields?
Is California closing down model clubs at private fields? Or just the public funded fields?
01-11-2011, 08:23 PM
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
And so far it has only happened at two locations, both in the central valley. At another location CalTrans has indicated that they have no issues. It all has to do with how they are interpreting the rules governing land use at airports which receive certain classes of federal funding.
01-16-2011, 04:50 PM
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
ORIGINAL: Tired Old Man
Makes you wonder where the influence of the Fresno and Los Angeles FSDO offices have their demarcation line.
Makes you wonder where the influence of the Fresno and Los Angeles FSDO offices have their demarcation line.
I think it was an Airports District Office:
http://www.faa.gov/airports/western_...s/los_angeles/
FSDO covers different programs than do the ADO.
The guy mentioned in the CalTrans newsletter (Tony Garcia) works in the Los Angeles ADO which is the HQ office for the western region.
http://www.faa.gov/airports/western_...a/orgchart.pdf
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
ORIGINAL: Silent-AV8R
I think it was an Airports District Office:
http://www.faa.gov/airports/western_...s/los_angeles/
FSDO covers different programs than do the ADO.
The guy mentioned in the CalTrans newsletter (Tony Garcia) works in the Los Angeles ADO which is the HQ office for the western region.
http://www.faa.gov/airports/western_...a/orgchart.pdf
ORIGINAL: Tired Old Man
Makes you wonder where the influence of the Fresno and Los Angeles FSDO offices have their demarcation line.
Makes you wonder where the influence of the Fresno and Los Angeles FSDO offices have their demarcation line.
I think it was an Airports District Office:
http://www.faa.gov/airports/western_...s/los_angeles/
FSDO covers different programs than do the ADO.
The guy mentioned in the CalTrans newsletter (Tony Garcia) works in the Los Angeles ADO which is the HQ office for the western region.
http://www.faa.gov/airports/western_...a/orgchart.pdf
The FSDOs havelittle to do with the airports and their operations. Flight Standards District Office, thus FSDO; thus "flight standards"; thus "flight"; and "standards", and, well ...........
01-16-2011, 07:17 PM
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Exactly Silent,
The FSDOs have little to do with the airports and their operations. Flight Standards District Office, thus FSDO; thus ''flight standards''; thus ''flight''; and ''standards'', and, well ...........
Exactly Silent,
The FSDOs have little to do with the airports and their operations. Flight Standards District Office, thus FSDO; thus ''flight standards''; thus ''flight''; and ''standards'', and, well ...........
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
Steve,
When you say 'closed runway',
does that mean there is another runway, and that other runway stays open
... a concurrent MA & GA operating airport that uses designated location and/or yeilding rather than shutdowns?
When you say 'closed runway',
does that mean there is another runway, and that other runway stays open
... a concurrent MA & GA operating airport that uses designated location and/or yeilding rather than shutdowns?
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RE: How many share runways with full scale?
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Steve,
When you say 'closed runway',
does that mean there is another runway, and that other runway stays open
... a concurrent MA & GA operating airport that uses designated location and/or yeilding rather than shutdowns?
Steve,
When you say 'closed runway',
does that mean there is another runway, and that other runway stays open
... a concurrent MA & GA operating airport that uses designated location and/or yeilding rather than shutdowns?
They are using the north end of the closed north/south runway. Deland has two other runways.
http://skyvector.com/airport/DED/Del...-Field-Airport
Frank