How much is the Executive Director paid?
05-06-2011, 07:52 PM
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
I recall a guy gave a non-ama link to a 'public information' AMA 2008 tax document,
and page7 of that listed ED Jim Cherry getting paid $125,260 + $14,249 other compensation,
and the AssistED Joyce got 107727 in it
... and by 'I recall' I mean I saved a copy of the pdf and just reread it for those numbers
edit append:
ahh, found the link, seems the document is hosted at Foundation Center, fdncenter.org
and page7 of that listed ED Jim Cherry getting paid $125,260 + $14,249 other compensation,
and the AssistED Joyce got 107727 in it
... and by 'I recall' I mean I saved a copy of the pdf and just reread it for those numbers
edit append:
ahh, found the link, seems the document is hosted at Foundation Center, fdncenter.org
05-07-2011, 05:04 AM
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
ORIGINAL: Silent-AV8R
So call it $139,509 in total compensation. That is about $1 from each member's dues per year. Seems fair to me.
So call it $139,509 in total compensation. That is about $1 from each member's dues per year. Seems fair to me.
Really looks much better when we extrapolate further based on info found in this thread... on average, about $17.00 from each member goes for salaries... Now, that is a really great return on our money for them... So there you go... non profits can profit...some.
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
I didnt realize this was a Fair/Unfair opinion poll,
I just answered the OPs question on How Much and referred to the reported-ness of it that he mentioned
I wouldnt use Just $1 Per Member as a fairness standard,
since we dont pay the USA president a $300mil sum justified with 'just $1 per member'.
I just answered the OPs question on How Much and referred to the reported-ness of it that he mentioned
I wouldnt use Just $1 Per Member as a fairness standard,
since we dont pay the USA president a $300mil sum justified with 'just $1 per member'.
05-07-2011, 05:34 AM
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Actually, $1 per member right off the top before you turn on the light switch and hang up your hat is a pretty big chunk. It demonstrates how little there really is to running the show.
How many mutual fund managers could get away with an expense ratio of 1 in 58...?
How many mutual fund managers could get away with an expense ratio of 1 in 58...?
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
Considering all the nights, weekends, and travel involved, it's pretty low pay. The Executive Director of a local non-profit here, who represents fewer members, makes close to $300K. A newly-appointed high school principal makes more than the AMA ED. The average prison guard here is pretty close to the same.
The money is by no means out of line with the duties of the job.
The money is by no means out of line with the duties of the job.
05-07-2011, 03:54 PM
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ORIGINAL: Teachu2
Considering all the nights, weekends, and travel involved, it's pretty low pay. The Executive Director of a local non-profit here, who represents fewer members, makes close to $300K. A newly-appointed high school principal makes more than the AMA ED. The average prison guard here is pretty close to the same.
The money is by no means out of line with the duties of the job.
Considering all the nights, weekends, and travel involved, it's pretty low pay. The Executive Director of a local non-profit here, who represents fewer members, makes close to $300K. A newly-appointed high school principal makes more than the AMA ED. The average prison guard here is pretty close to the same.
The money is by no means out of line with the duties of the job.
Indiana is another place, and IMO, $125,000.00 per year is a very good job with all holidays off, regular schedules, paid expenses for getting to ALL the big events and basically living model airplanes. Lots of perks in AMA benefits for retirement. Annuities deposited in the employee's name, etc.Check out http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutama/benefits.aspx
I certainly would have appreciated those regular schedules when I set out a lot of holidays beside a B-47 loaded with Thermonuclear weapons just so the Soviets would each AM realize that the current day was just not their day. [8D]
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I didnt realize this was a Fair/Unfair opinion poll,
I just answered the OPs question on How Much and referred to the reported-ness of it that he mentioned
I didnt realize this was a Fair/Unfair opinion poll,
I just answered the OPs question on How Much and referred to the reported-ness of it that he mentioned
Are you just looking for a twist of something to jump KE? Or is it because KE knows so much more than you do? I think you need not answer here. Those that can read and are truly interested in RIGHT rather than "smart-pants" can well determine for themselves.
Did you know that from Wed. April 27th to Wed May 04, 20 young USA soldiers including one female gave up ALL their remaining days just so you could P&M about manufactured arguments? Think about that.
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05-07-2011, 07:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: Teachu2
No doubt it's a good job - should it not be?
No doubt it's a good job - should it not be?
Right now, I do believe the AMA is - and has been for years - well overburdened with unneeded staff, and far too much attention (dubbed $$$ ) is dedicated to various publishing activities that are really only there to provide a job for someone. Bureaucracy is easily fertilized and grows so very well. [sm=47_47.gif]
Somehow, I think I need a really good briefing before I can buy into the need for 15 Publications personnel while Membership has only 6 actual working people, in that 2 others assigned there would appear better assigned to FACILITIES & MAINTENANCE.
Trent, I have not forgotten your services. So if I am a tad too straight forward, please advise me of such. Again, Thank you for those.
Now our good friend, Mr. Ken, just might be pulling this as off topic. [
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
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I'm not sure I follow your logic.
If you are saying he should make as much as a prison guard,
then you should post how much prison guards in Muncie Indiana make, and say he should make that.
Otherwise, I fail to see your point as to the salary relationship of prison guards and EDs.
The average prison guard here is pretty close to the same.
If you are saying he should make as much as a prison guard,
then you should post how much prison guards in Muncie Indiana make, and say he should make that.
Otherwise, I fail to see your point as to the salary relationship of prison guards and EDs.
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
Mr. Trent, Yes, IMO, yet it is also a very demanding job. In all the times I have run for AMA office, I have always promoted that the AMA paid Administrative Staff should all have good job protection, good pay and benefits, and be happy with their work. Yet, unlike certain IRC 501 (c) (3) organizations, the AMA should, IMO, be held to higher standards than a number of the popular ''non-profits'' which are managed to be absolutely certain they will always be ''non-profit''. [:-] You do get my drift, I'm sure.
Right now, I do believe the AMA is - and has been for years - well overburdened with unneeded staff, and far too much attention (dubbed $$$ ) is dedicated to various publishing activities that are really only there to provide a job for someone. Bureaucracy is easily fertilized and grows so very well. [sm=47_47.gif]
Somehow, I think I need a really good briefing before I can buy into the need for 15 Publications personnel while Membership has only 6 actual working people, in that 2 others assigned there would appear better assigned to FACILITIES & MAINTENANCE.
Trent, I have not forgotten your services. So if I am a tad too straight forward, please advise me of such. Again, Thank you for those.
Now our good friend, Mr. Ken, just might be pulling this as off topic. [] I'm making a copy for a new thread if he decides to do so.
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ORIGINAL: Teachu2
No doubt it's a good job - should it not be?
No doubt it's a good job - should it not be?
Right now, I do believe the AMA is - and has been for years - well overburdened with unneeded staff, and far too much attention (dubbed $$$ ) is dedicated to various publishing activities that are really only there to provide a job for someone. Bureaucracy is easily fertilized and grows so very well. [sm=47_47.gif]
Somehow, I think I need a really good briefing before I can buy into the need for 15 Publications personnel while Membership has only 6 actual working people, in that 2 others assigned there would appear better assigned to FACILITIES & MAINTENANCE.
Trent, I have not forgotten your services. So if I am a tad too straight forward, please advise me of such. Again, Thank you for those.
Now our good friend, Mr. Ken, just might be pulling this as off topic. [
] I'm making a copy for a new thread if he decides to do so.Horrace Cain
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05-07-2011, 07:54 PM
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T2
I'm not sure I follow your logic.
If you are saying he should make as much as a prison guard,
then you should post how much prison guards in Muncie Indiana make, and say he should make that.
Otherwise, I fail to see your point as to the salary relationship of prison guards and EDs.
T2
The average prison guard here is pretty close to the same.
If you are saying he should make as much as a prison guard,
then you should post how much prison guards in Muncie Indiana make, and say he should make that.
Otherwise, I fail to see your point as to the salary relationship of prison guards and EDs.
Point very well made.
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
T2
I'm not sure I follow your logic.
If you are saying he should make as much as a prison guard,
then you should post how much prison guards in Muncie Indiana make, and say he should make that.
Otherwise, I fail to see your point as to the salary relationship of prison guards and EDs.
T2
The average prison guard here is pretty close to the same.
If you are saying he should make as much as a prison guard,
then you should post how much prison guards in Muncie Indiana make, and say he should make that.
Otherwise, I fail to see your point as to the salary relationship of prison guards and EDs.
Interesting article on the subject at http://www.blueavocado.org/node/563 .
05-07-2011, 09:43 PM
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
Interesting article on the subject at http://www.blueavocado.org/node/563 .
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
ORIGINAL: Silent-AV8R
The US Parachute Organization, which is a membership group that promotes parachuting in the US, has 32,000 members and pays their ED ~ $121,000. AMA is 4 times larger and pays only a bit more. In the Non-profit world it is all about the size of the organization, number of members or donors, and total budget. Location of the HQ is less important.
The US Parachute Organization, which is a membership group that promotes parachuting in the US, has 32,000 members and pays their ED ~ $121,000. AMA is 4 times larger and pays only a bit more. In the Non-profit world it is all about the size of the organization, number of members or donors, and total budget. Location of the HQ is less important.
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Silent-AV8RBut if people really feel strongly they need to contact their VP and make their ideas known. While Internet forums are great fun, they are not where you are going to get anything done. Contact you VP. Tell him you are unhappy about the salaries paid to the staff.
Silent-AV8RBut if people really feel strongly they need to contact their VP and make their ideas known. While Internet forums are great fun, they are not where you are going to get anything done. Contact you VP. Tell him you are unhappy about the salaries paid to the staff.
IMO if there are changes to consider within an organization they should be aired as publicly as possible.
Now with all that said, I don't have any idea what is an appropriate salary for the AMA ED but one thing is for sure, having the duly elected AMA president appointed to such a position should not have ever happened...no matter how much we liked him as president... Dang!!!!
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RE: How much is the Executive Director paid?
LCS - I know that there is nothing that can be said that will satisfy you, par for the course there. Your bottom line is to let's keep yelling into the Internet vortex because you are not really interested in seeing a change, just in having an argument. Like I said, par for the course.
My wife worked for a fair number of years in management of a non-profit 501 (c)3 organization. It was the foundation for a hospital. My comments are based on her decade of experience working within the management of non-profit groups. Yes, location has a part, but the size of the managed group (members/donors, staff, and assets) is far more important. AMA is a multi-million dollar a year organization with a very large member base and a fair number of employees and assets and property to be managed. Based on everything I know about professional salaries and more specifically non-profit management, I think the ED salary is more than fair. In fact, my wife has told me that the job should pay well into the $200K range and that the AMA is very lucky to find anyone who will work that cheaply. Here's another bit of reality.
I disagree. I think Dave is a perfect choice. He was offered the job after an intensive search. He was not "appointed" or ordained or anything else. Bottom line is that they likely could not find anyone who wanted to live in Muncie and do that job for so little money.
My wife worked for a fair number of years in management of a non-profit 501 (c)3 organization. It was the foundation for a hospital. My comments are based on her decade of experience working within the management of non-profit groups. Yes, location has a part, but the size of the managed group (members/donors, staff, and assets) is far more important. AMA is a multi-million dollar a year organization with a very large member base and a fair number of employees and assets and property to be managed. Based on everything I know about professional salaries and more specifically non-profit management, I think the ED salary is more than fair. In fact, my wife has told me that the job should pay well into the $200K range and that the AMA is very lucky to find anyone who will work that cheaply. Here's another bit of reality.
Now with all that said, I don't have any idea what is an appropriate salary for the AMA ED but one thing is for sure, having the duly elected AMA president appointed to such a position should not have ever happened...no matter how much we liked him as president... Dang!!!!