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Old 05-07-2012, 01:21 PM
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Just recieved a survey by email about FPV's from AMA-did everyone get one?
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Just recieved a survey by email about FPV's from AMA-did everyone get one?
I like FPV... So... I didn’t get one...LOL
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Wow! -I did not know that was the criteria for being on the list.
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I got one in my e-mail. Already answered it. I have no plans to fly FPV. However, I have no objections to those who fly it safely. I told them to find ways to relax the harsh buddy-box rule if they could do it safely.
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Just recieved a survey by email about FPV's from AMA-did everyone get one?
No. I am with lcs on this. I like FPV so I did not get one.
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What is FPV? How long are the lines you fly them on?[&o]
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Did not get one yet but am glad to hear that apparently the AMA is considering doing something about FPV. I personally don't think it should be done as a "modelling activity". It's just too big of an "attractor" for further analysis and scrutiny by the Feds of "line of sight" RC flying. Just my opinion...

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I like FPV or at least approve of it, so I did not get a survey either.
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I doubt that likes or dislikes have anything to do with whether or not you get the survey. I do not approve of FPV as a “modeling activity” and I have yet to see the survey.

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I don't know Frank. to me it is just another new technology. Kind of like the transition from control line to radio control. There are risks that need dealing with and I don't think that, if we keep some form of LOS, that any federal agency will be gunning for us. Like Isaid in an earlier post, I have no plans to do FPV, but I don''t think we should stop responsible hobbyist from extracting safe enjoyment from it.




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There is nothing wrong with FPV however there should be rules that govern where and how it's done. I did not get a survey either.
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AMA already has a policy allowing FPV. I just noticed that a new policy allowing autonomous flight has been added. Both have the same restrictions, operation within VLOS. FPV requires a buddy box, the new policy requires the ability of the pilot to immediately take over and manually fly the pre-programmed aircraft.



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None here.
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Silent: The questions were geared toward determining if there was member support of FPVand what should the AMA do about it. As I mentioned before, I told them I don't do FPV, I have no plans to do FPV but that I supported the right of FPV flyers to fly FPV. Finally I suggested that they find a way to get rid of the buddy-box rule.

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I understand the nature of the poll. I was just commenting that it was interesting that the AMA appears to have softened their view of autonomous flight, so maybe FPV is not far behind.
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I don't know Frank. to me it is just another new technology. Kind of like the transition from control line to radio control. There are risks that need dealing with and I don't think that, if we keep some form of LOS, that any federal agency will be gunning for us. Like I said in an earlier post, I have no plans to do FPV, but I don''t think we should stop responsible hobbyist from extracting safe enjoyment from it.
Okay, I have been directed to the survey which is in the May 2012 AMA today newsletter on the AMA website. You only get an e-mail notification/link if you are subscribed to it.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/publica...AMA_Today.aspx

The following is a comment I provided in the survey:

The Academy of Model Aeronautics is about "Model" airplanes. While I find FPV technology interesting it is more about the technology on an aeronautic platform that has nothing to do with “modeling”. The aircraft using FPV are a means to an end instead of the end product of a project.

On the final survey question;

What do you think AMA should do, if anything, about the growing proliferation of FPV aircraft?

I believe the current AMA safety guidelines and the 540D & 550 .PDFs See & Avoid and FPV Ops guidance adequately covers AMA members FPV activities for continued insurance coverage. Anything beyond VLOS should not be covered. I would support an AMA FPV Special Interest Group (SIG) within the AMA with the caveat that the safety of other users of the NAS is always paramount.

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Frank, you response is well said. I agree with you on both counts. It seems that we are not interested in FPV as individuals but we support efforts for those interested to conduct FPV safely.
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Did not get one yet but am glad to hear that apparently the AMA is considering doing something about FPV. I personally don't think it should be done as a "modelling activity". It's just too big of an "attractor" for further analysis and scrutiny by the Feds of "line of sight" RC flying. Just my opinion...

BINGO. Add to that it's too big of an attractor for those who don't like following "rules". One bad apple can spoil the entire bunch - and FPV just has way too many bad apples.
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BINGO. Add to that it's too big of an attractor for those who don't like following "rules". One bad apple can spoil the entire bunch - and FPV just has way too many bad apples.
Kinda like not using our free speech rights because if we say the wrong thing people will get mad and take our right away?
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Sport: I never though of FPV as a free speech issue. But your concern is commendable. I, along with others, see FPV not as model aviation per se, but as another technology layered on top of model aviation. Which in itself is not a bad thing. But, there are some risks added by the technology that need to be dealt with. I think the AMAis trying to determine if the membership will support efforts to allow FPV to fly safely. Definite not to deny you a voice in club activities. Instead, it appears to be just the opposite, since the survey is available to all members.

So, if FPV is important to you, then navigate to the survey and speak your peace.
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No that was not to make it a free speech issue, but to show it is silly to drop it just because you think you would lose. You fight for freedoms (and privilages as well), you don't avoid a fight. If we let them take that layer above us, then we will be naked andour own hobby will be seen in the same light.

Or um, something like that.
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Well, in this case, there is no need to fight. All you have to do is participate. We all want the same thing. That is to fly safely and have fun. Exactly how we do that is the matter of an open discussion here in this forum and with the AMA in their little survey.

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I like FPV... So... I didn’t get one...LOL
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No. I am with lcs on this. I like FPV so I did not get one.
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I like FPV or at least approve of it, so I did not get a survey either.
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There is nothing wrong with FPV however there should be rules that govern where and how it's done. I did not get a survey either.
Well, since I like FPV I didnt get one either.
Perhaps what HQ should do
is have ED Dave post an invitation at DIYD for its 12000 folks
to mail a note to him asking what THEY think of it,
and indicate if they are AMA member or not

What is more relevant,
finding out 20% of AMA dont mind FPV
(or finding out 90% of ama dont care enough to respond & 9% are toe whatever partyline Muncie has in place)
or finding out that of the 12000 guys in that aeromodeling discipline, its 70% (??swag) AMA members

This is another one of those topics like Paintball was-
that all the faith-based AMA'ers hated it
until they find out AMA allowed it, then suddenly its ok because AMA allows it and AMA is never wrong.
Same thing goes on with this:
folks see AMA has a rule against it
and they will blindly run with the dogma of the partyline (until AMA changes the rule, then they will love that).
They even spew hate upon all FPV/Autonomous aeromodelers as detractors of the hobby (uh Maynard Hill & DB?)
Just as the faithful hated the very concept of a metal blade, until AMA started allowing some



this is starting to sound like another 'PPP Joyce Survey' coming from muncie,
where maybe we will hear 80% dont care + 10% hate
get spin'ed to muncie saying Only 10% Minority Support
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