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12-27-2013, 10:47 AM
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OK..... to be specific the AMA does not use the term "flight line" the AMA term is "safety line" and "the AMA suggestion" for a site with an established runway it is the edge of the runway and extends 1000' +250' (Safety Zone) from both ends of the runway.
B. RADIO CONTROL (RC)
1. All pilots shall avoid flying directly over unprotected people, vessels, vehicles or structures and shall avoid endangerment of life and property of others.
2. A successful radio equipment ground-range check in accordance with manufacturer’s recommendations will be completed before the first flight of a new or
repaired model aircraft.
3. At all flying sites a safety line(s) must be established in front of which all flying takes place. (AMA Document #706.)
(a) Only personnel associated with flying the model aircraft are allowed at or in front of the safety line.
(b) At air shows or demonstrations, a straight safety line must be established.
(c) An area away from the safety line must be maintained for spectators.
(d) Intentional flying behind the safety line is prohibited.
B. RADIO CONTROL (RC)
1. All pilots shall avoid flying directly over unprotected people, vessels, vehicles or structures and shall avoid endangerment of life and property of others.
2. A successful radio equipment ground-range check in accordance with manufacturer’s recommendations will be completed before the first flight of a new or
repaired model aircraft.
3. At all flying sites a safety line(s) must be established in front of which all flying takes place. (AMA Document #706.)
(a) Only personnel associated with flying the model aircraft are allowed at or in front of the safety line.
(b) At air shows or demonstrations, a straight safety line must be established.
(c) An area away from the safety line must be maintained for spectators.
(d) Intentional flying behind the safety line is prohibited.
12-27-2013, 03:00 PM
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[QUOTE=bradpaul;11694403]OK..... to be specific the AMA does not use the term "flight line" the AMA term is "safety line" and "the AMA suggestion" for a site with an established runway it is the edge of the runway and extends 1000' +250' (Safety Zone) from both ends of the runway.
Oh Shucks Bradpaul, for some time now, I have been thinking that you finally got things right. You really disappoint me again!!
Go on down to item #6 in S.C. RC. They overlooked one and used the term "flightline" as I quoted up above some days ago. Ya gotta' read it all, Daddy0O!
These AMA folks really strive to screw us over. Heck, just look at that January issue of MA. There they, AMA and Horizon, again trying to kick the bearded kid off his skate Board with those quadcopters, trying to hit him amidships!!!
As some do say, "Never say "NEVER!"
Oh Shucks Bradpaul, for some time now, I have been thinking that you finally got things right. You really disappoint me again!!
Go on down to item #6 in S.C. RC. They overlooked one and used the term "flightline" as I quoted up above some days ago. Ya gotta' read it all, Daddy0O!
These AMA folks really strive to screw us over. Heck, just look at that January issue of MA. There they, AMA and Horizon, again trying to kick the bearded kid off his skate Board with those quadcopters, trying to hit him amidships!!!
As some do say, "Never say "NEVER!"
01-02-2014, 02:39 PM
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Ok, I still have not seen a link to the video. I think the issue was the CD got angry like he wrote. A good CD will not get angry and will respected by the flyer when you approach him in kindness and ask him not to perform X
When a CD approach a flyer with anger he will see anger back and at that point of time it's a complete wash. The CD could right then killed the enjoyment of the hobby we all love.
So if you can not approach a flyer that you strongly feel you need to correct what they are doing, you need to be calm. So far I have never seen anyone get mad after asking them not to do X.
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When a CD approach a flyer with anger he will see anger back and at that point of time it's a complete wash. The CD could right then killed the enjoyment of the hobby we all love.
So if you can not approach a flyer that you strongly feel you need to correct what they are doing, you need to be calm. So far I have never seen anyone get mad after asking them not to do X.
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01-02-2014, 06:19 PM
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I spent all my life in a disciplined mode. I don't expect any less from other folks.
01-02-2014, 06:41 PM
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In the same manner, a GOOD individual - exercising RC Flight at a place where an AMA CD is in charge - will act and maintain proper discipline where the CD will never have to exercise any form of rigid correction. Those pilots that do not assist those in charge of proper safety discipline deserve anything the CD and his workers can throw at the bad actors.
I spent all my life in a disciplined mode. I don't expect any less from other folks.
I spent all my life in a disciplined mode. I don't expect any less from other folks.
01-03-2014, 06:17 AM
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Regardless of personal feelings, a CD shouldn't be motivated by anger... Its a job that requires someone that can overcome his emotions and respond to situations in a respectful and professional manner. I submit that if the responsibility and situations encountered as CD can anger you, you are not the right person for the job.
01-03-2014, 08:16 AM
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Very Funny
...but I didn't say that.
I've known some really good CDs in my time...They had to be almost be begged to become one...The ones that seem to be the problem more often than not is those that relish being a CD. Just human nature...please control your emotions, don't get mad at me for making an observation and reply with some girly-man quipit...
...but I didn't say that. I've known some really good CDs in my time...They had to be almost be begged to become one...The ones that seem to be the problem more often than not is those that relish being a CD. Just human nature...please control your emotions, don't get mad at me for making an observation and reply with some girly-man quipit...
01-03-2014, 08:36 AM
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Very Funny...but I didn't say that.
I've known some really good CDs in my time...They had to be almost be begged to become one...The ones that seem to be the problem more often than not is those that relish being a CD. Just human nature...please control your emotions, don't get mad at me for making an observation and reply with some girly-man quipit...
...but I didn't say that. I've known some really good CDs in my time...They had to be almost be begged to become one...The ones that seem to be the problem more often than not is those that relish being a CD. Just human nature...please control your emotions, don't get mad at me for making an observation and reply with some girly-man quipit...
When there is a need to correct unsafe flying at an event, the only thing that matters is that the unsafe activity ceases. Sure is is better if it is handled with diplomacy, but if the unsafe activity stops then the CD has performed his duty.
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01-03-2014, 10:29 AM
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Has anyone ever been stopped by the police ? Did they run up to the car screaming at you ? Or did they approach you with a calm and even demeanor and say hello first ?
Tantrums are for babies. Act like a man.
Tantrums are for babies. Act like a man.
01-03-2014, 10:58 AM
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Don't get me started posting links to police doing what you ask............. of course Rodney King might have an opinion.
01-03-2014, 12:39 PM
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Regardless of personal feelings, a CD shouldn't be motivated by anger... Its a job that requires someone that can overcome his emotions and respond to situations in a respectful and professional manner. I submit that if the responsibility and situations encountered as CD can anger you, you are not the right person for the job.
You are invited to attend the Jetero RC Club's (www.jetero.com) 18th Annual Frozen Fickle Finger of Fate Competition Fun Fly this coming Feb. 22nd.
The event consists of 4 rounds, each round having 2 tasks, somewhat envisioned from AMA Competition Rule 705. It is not a beginner's game but they are welcome to try. I will have the "flyers" out this coming weekend. Current AMA membership or join at the meet. You do know that Contest Directors can issue AMA memberships at Sanctioned Events effective immediately. Most have had good weather but last year was horrible weather wise. Tried to get a picture but forum does not allow what I have. Still unable to get to the meat of this new computer thing that I am now using.
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01-03-2014, 02:36 PM
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My experience throughout life has been that people who really want to be in charge of anything are generally the last people who should be. It's almost always for the wrong reasons. That goes from the PTA to the highest levels of politics and everything in between.
The best leaders never want the job and always have to be begged and coerced into it.
I don't have the temperament to even be a trainer - I have no patience for people who don't follow instructions even though I know it's a lot easier said than done for a beginner. I would never want any position of authority within a club.
The best leaders never want the job and always have to be begged and coerced into it.
I don't have the temperament to even be a trainer - I have no patience for people who don't follow instructions even though I know it's a lot easier said than done for a beginner. I would never want any position of authority within a club.
01-03-2014, 03:19 PM
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I believe in knock'en heads and asking questions later ! BTW, who wants to come to my Fun Fly ? The IRONY presented on this website is worth the price of admission 
. Happy New Years, everybody. Have a great 2014 !
. Happy New Years, everybody. Have a great 2014 !
01-03-2014, 04:59 PM
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You are invited to attend the Jetero RC Club's (www.jetero.com) 18th Annual Frozen Fickle Finger of Fate Competition Fun Fly this coming Feb. 22nd.
The event consists of 4 rounds, each round having 2 tasks, somewhat envisioned from AMA Competition Rule 705. It is not a beginner's game but they are welcome to try. I will have the "flyers" out this coming weekend. Current AMA membership or join at the meet. You do know that Contest Directors can issue AMA memberships at Sanctioned Events effective immediately. Most have had good weather but last year was horrible weather wise. Tried to get a picture but forum does not allow what I have. Still unable to get to the meat of this new computer thing that I am now using.
The event consists of 4 rounds, each round having 2 tasks, somewhat envisioned from AMA Competition Rule 705. It is not a beginner's game but they are welcome to try. I will have the "flyers" out this coming weekend. Current AMA membership or join at the meet. You do know that Contest Directors can issue AMA memberships at Sanctioned Events effective immediately. Most have had good weather but last year was horrible weather wise. Tried to get a picture but forum does not allow what I have. Still unable to get to the meat of this new computer thing that I am now using.
01-04-2014, 04:12 AM
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YES.
YES, I have experienced the rath of an angry cop, several times in my life.
Not always. "Do you know what you did?", "License & Registration, NOW!", "Do you know how fast you were going?" have all been opening lines in my time.
Maybe so. And then there are those times to be a man about things. But then most people cry they know their civil rights....
YES, I have experienced the rath of an angry cop, several times in my life.
Maybe so. And then there are those times to be a man about things. But then most people cry they know their civil rights....
01-04-2014, 05:45 AM
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I have almost never seen a CD loose their cool. In one or two rare instances, perhaps. One or two other times, I have seen a problem flyer argue for an extended amount of time with a CD until the CD lost some of his cool.
I have only been to two events ever where the CD was unpleasant and annoying. They did not lose their cool, but had other traits that made me choose to avoid the event in the future.
Before I would ever try and convict the CD in the original post for getting a little angry, I would need to know how unpleasant the problem flyer was.
I have only been to two events ever where the CD was unpleasant and annoying. They did not lose their cool, but had other traits that made me choose to avoid the event in the future.
Before I would ever try and convict the CD in the original post for getting a little angry, I would need to know how unpleasant the problem flyer was.
PM sent. BTW, never let a little guy be the CD !! Little Man Syndrome is REAL !!!
01-04-2014, 08:38 AM
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My experience throughout life has been that people who really want to be in charge of anything are generally the last people who should be. It's almost always for the wrong reasons. That goes from the PTA to the highest levels of politics and everything in between.
The best leaders never want the job and always have to be begged and coerced into it.
I don't have the temperament to even be a trainer - I have no patience for people who don't follow instructions even though I know it's a lot easier said than done for a beginner. I would never want any position of authority within a club.
The best leaders never want the job and always have to be begged and coerced into it.
I don't have the temperament to even be a trainer - I have no patience for people who don't follow instructions even though I know it's a lot easier said than done for a beginner. I would never want any position of authority within a club.
Funny thing is...with the introspection to the degree you apparently have, you would probably make a better leader than most.
01-04-2014, 08:43 AM
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When put in leadership positions I didn't fare too well though. Not sure what my problem is.
People tell me all the time that I would be an excellent teacher because of the detail I give while explaining the fundamental reason things are done a certain way. I tend to be a leader when I don't know I'm leading - I'm just taking the lead in getting something accomplished. But that's a single thing, not a position of leadership over people.
People tell me all the time that I would be an excellent teacher because of the detail I give while explaining the fundamental reason things are done a certain way. I tend to be a leader when I don't know I'm leading - I'm just taking the lead in getting something accomplished. But that's a single thing, not a position of leadership over people.
01-04-2014, 08:48 AM
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Based on your previous post, patience may be your number one problem...if so, you can overcome that...that is part of becoming a good leader...finding what sacrifices are needed on your part.