FAA fine against drone photographer dismissed.
03-31-2014, 05:17 AM
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Do I understand you correctly? You appointed yourself as some sort of Safety Guardian, with a mind to intercede and "bring down the forces of Law and Order upon the head of the malefactor".
And yet ... strangely ... the pilot was invited to fly there; and the "people concerned" apparently weren't concerned. (I'm assuming that the building workers weren't rushing about, screaming at the horror of it all.)
And yet ... strangely ... the pilot was invited to fly there; and the "people concerned" apparently weren't concerned. (I'm assuming that the building workers weren't rushing about, screaming at the horror of it all.)
03-31-2014, 05:22 AM
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03-31-2014, 05:29 AM
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Have you read the decision? The judge let the guy off because there were no regulations covering the situation. The guy walked on a technicality that had nothing to do with your 400' misconception.
Per the Judge,: “The extension of that conclusion would then result in the risible argument that a flight in the air of… a paper aircraft, or a toy balsa wood glider, could subject the ‘operator’ to the regulatory provisions of FAA [regulations].”.
03-31-2014, 05:31 AM
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03-31-2014, 05:56 AM
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03-31-2014, 06:10 AM
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The decision said that there were no drone regulations therefore the FAA could not punish the offender.
03-31-2014, 06:15 AM
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I have not changed my position, if properly rated (personnel and equipment) commercial operations can be a good thing. The same sort of standards of quality and skills required for the commercial airlines people ride on.
LCS, I don't think BradPaul was referring to you but to the British guy and others like him. But I could be wrong.
As for Trappy's permission, it was clearly granted by some PhD who had no clue of the unintended consequences of the flight and I do not mean the FAA fight but the risk presented to the general (uninformed) public who was involved in the escapade. Sometimes those ivory towers block the view of reality...
03-31-2014, 06:23 AM
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As for Trappy's permission, it was clearly granted by some PhD who had no clue of the unintended consequences of the flight and I do not mean the FAA fight but the risk presented to the general (uninformed) public who was involved in the escapade. Sometimes those ivory towers block the view of reality...
03-31-2014, 07:37 AM
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what you need yo get through your ever denser head is that this is the AMA forum...and conflating totally seperate isuues such as private FPV opeations, commercial or otherwise not within the national airspace, drones within national airspace and what AMA constrains it's members is just a bunch of malarkey (man. I like that word LOL)!
You don't have a clue. Are you unable to comprehend the subtle distinctions?
03-31-2014, 10:54 AM
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Ok gentlemen, we need to stop the name calling in here and it needs to stop right now. If the members of this forum can not discuss this matter in a mature and civil manner then they will be dealt with by me. There is no reason for name calling and insulting each other in here and if you can't discuss this issue without resorting to doing that then maybe you should simply stay out of the discussion, period.
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03-31-2014, 11:04 AM
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Ok gentlemen, we need to stop the name calling in here and it needs to stop right now. If the members of this forum can not discuss this matter in a mature and civil manner then they will be dealt with by me. There is no reason for name calling and insulting each other in here and if you can't discuss this issue without resorting to doing that then maybe you should simply stay out of the discussion, period.
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03-31-2014, 11:25 AM
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You are quite correct, the Judge's problem was that there were no regulations in the FAR to define model aviation and commercial drones. That created a conundrum that could not be resolved. Since there were no regulations to act on, our friendly neighborhood drone operator could not be punished for his blatantly unsafe operations.
03-31-2014, 11:42 AM
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You are quite correct, the Judge's problem was that there were no regulations in the FAR to define model aviation and commercial drones. That created a conundrum that could not be resolved. Since there were no regulations to act on, our friendly neighborhood drone operator could not be punished for his blatantly unsafe operations.
03-31-2014, 12:30 PM
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It will happen one way or another, but for the present it remains in limbo. Not a good thing for the industry or the potential market they will supply, and that's unfortunate. Worse IMO biased by selfish interest is for our modeling organization to take any stake in that public/civil sUAS arena that could risk our falling into the same limbo with them.
03-31-2014, 12:35 PM
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As posted in the other thread!
It’s pretty simple as I see it there are two categories. One is a model then there is everything else.
At present the accepted definition of what is a hobby and a model is what is set out by the AMA in the USA and MAAC in Canada. Even if you’re not a member of either organization but fly within these relative guidelines of your country you’re considered a hobbyist flying a model.
Only those who insist on flying outside these guidelines will have to contend with running afoul of the aviation authorities.
Their problem is not my problem. I will continue to fly unhindered with the same rules I started out with. These guys will continue to bring attention to themselves until the aviation authorities place restrictions on them worse than the ones that we will continue to operate under.
A prime example is how the freedom as a kid growing up and flying my models in the parks and schoolyards has all but disappeared. Now there are very few urban areas that do not have some bylaw about flying powered models within the city/towns limits. Why is that you ask? It’s not because the majority of those using these facilities caused problems it’s because of a few who insisted they could do what they want without restrictions or consideration for others. As always there are a few who will ruin it for everyone else. The frustrating part is these few will dump the activity because its grown to restrictive and move on to the next activity they can screw up, leaving the dedicated ones to try and salvage what’s left.
Dennis
It’s pretty simple as I see it there are two categories. One is a model then there is everything else.
At present the accepted definition of what is a hobby and a model is what is set out by the AMA in the USA and MAAC in Canada. Even if you’re not a member of either organization but fly within these relative guidelines of your country you’re considered a hobbyist flying a model.
Only those who insist on flying outside these guidelines will have to contend with running afoul of the aviation authorities.
Their problem is not my problem. I will continue to fly unhindered with the same rules I started out with. These guys will continue to bring attention to themselves until the aviation authorities place restrictions on them worse than the ones that we will continue to operate under.
A prime example is how the freedom as a kid growing up and flying my models in the parks and schoolyards has all but disappeared. Now there are very few urban areas that do not have some bylaw about flying powered models within the city/towns limits. Why is that you ask? It’s not because the majority of those using these facilities caused problems it’s because of a few who insisted they could do what they want without restrictions or consideration for others. As always there are a few who will ruin it for everyone else. The frustrating part is these few will dump the activity because its grown to restrictive and move on to the next activity they can screw up, leaving the dedicated ones to try and salvage what’s left.
Dennis
03-31-2014, 02:13 PM
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As posted in the other thread!
It’s pretty simple as I see it there are two categories. One is a model then there is everything else.
At present the accepted definition of what is a hobby and a model is what is set out by the AMA in the USA and MAAC in Canada. Even if you’re not a member of either organization but fly within these relative guidelines of your country you’re considered a hobbyist flying a model.
Only those who insist on flying outside these guidelines will have to contend with running afoul of the aviation authorities.
Their problem is not my problem. I will continue to fly unhindered with the same rules I started out with. These guys will continue to bring attention to themselves until the aviation authorities place restrictions on them worse than the ones that we will continue to operate under.
A prime example is how the freedom as a kid growing up and flying my models in the parks and schoolyards has all but disappeared. Now there are very few urban areas that do not have some bylaw about flying powered models within the city/towns limits. Why is that you ask? It’s not because the majority of those using these facilities caused problems it’s because of a few who insisted they could do what they want without restrictions or consideration for others. As always there are a few who will ruin it for everyone else. The frustrating part is these few will dump the activity because its grown to restrictive and move on to the next activity they can screw up, leaving the dedicated ones to try and salvage what’s left.
Dennis
It’s pretty simple as I see it there are two categories. One is a model then there is everything else.
At present the accepted definition of what is a hobby and a model is what is set out by the AMA in the USA and MAAC in Canada. Even if you’re not a member of either organization but fly within these relative guidelines of your country you’re considered a hobbyist flying a model.
Only those who insist on flying outside these guidelines will have to contend with running afoul of the aviation authorities.
Their problem is not my problem. I will continue to fly unhindered with the same rules I started out with. These guys will continue to bring attention to themselves until the aviation authorities place restrictions on them worse than the ones that we will continue to operate under.
A prime example is how the freedom as a kid growing up and flying my models in the parks and schoolyards has all but disappeared. Now there are very few urban areas that do not have some bylaw about flying powered models within the city/towns limits. Why is that you ask? It’s not because the majority of those using these facilities caused problems it’s because of a few who insisted they could do what they want without restrictions or consideration for others. As always there are a few who will ruin it for everyone else. The frustrating part is these few will dump the activity because its grown to restrictive and move on to the next activity they can screw up, leaving the dedicated ones to try and salvage what’s left.
Dennis
Yup, that has been the theme of this thread all along. We as responsible modelers follow the rules and have fun, while a few screw ups give us a bad image.
03-31-2014, 09:46 PM
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No, the bad guys didn't ruin it.
YOU ruined it.
You ruined it when you accepted the principle that "Justice is served by punishing the many for the indiscretions of the individual."
You accepted the principle that it's right to punish the people who "didn't do it".
In other words, you "ruined it" by seeking to create more laws.
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04-01-2014, 04:47 AM
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The fact is, he was flying in a grey area and got away with it.
04-01-2014, 05:21 AM
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Now you seem to be moving the authority away from FAA some and more towards the community...I know, a little side dish in your response but even after all the salad mixing it seems you may be getting the point now. As far as the AMA safety code goes, I wasn't aware the guy was an AMA member.
04-01-2014, 05:32 AM
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I've had nearly sixty years to "see how it is" in England.... where the dominant ethos is, "I don't like it; and I'll make sure that you can't do it."
If you chaps should ever decide to come and live here, you'll find that you fit right in.
The Tea Party ... don't make me laugh. Those guys took up arms over a tiny little tax..... look at you now!
I don't think you can claim to share in their honour.
If you chaps should ever decide to come and live here, you'll find that you fit right in.
The Tea Party ... don't make me laugh. Those guys took up arms over a tiny little tax..... look at you now!
I don't think you can claim to share in their honour.
04-01-2014, 06:18 AM
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Now you seem to be moving the authority away from FAA some and more towards the community...I know, a little side dish in your response but even after all the salad mixing it seems you may be getting the point now. As far as the AMA safety code goes, I wasn't aware the guy was an AMA member.
And, at least for the time being, in the absence of FAA regulations community laws are all that we have. I don't understand why the community around the University campus has not acted on his apparent violations of reasonable safety codes.