FAA fine against drone photographer dismissed.
03-26-2014, 12:28 PM
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JohnShe,
My problem is not that I do not agree with regulation, because I know that in every type of activity there will be a few who will push the boundaries and hurt someone or damage property and ruin it for everyone. Now, as far as these smaller e-machines, I don't see them as being flying terrors that are going to take people's heads off, but they could cut someone or put an eye out, and that would be terrible. I think most of the people on this thread are not the ones out there flying them over congested city blocks and over heavily populated areas, and if they are they shouldn't be doing it.
IMO, though if we are going to allow commercial ventures such as this, you need to be prepared and covered so that if and when an accident occurs you are covered.
I do think this country is over regulated, I mean look at what small businesses have to do just to be able to try and make a profit, but a few bad apples have ruined for everyone. I do not want to see those bad apples ruin it for the rest of the hobbyist here who just want to fly and do their thing without trying to turn this into a "job". I got enough of those.
My problem is not that I do not agree with regulation, because I know that in every type of activity there will be a few who will push the boundaries and hurt someone or damage property and ruin it for everyone. Now, as far as these smaller e-machines, I don't see them as being flying terrors that are going to take people's heads off, but they could cut someone or put an eye out, and that would be terrible. I think most of the people on this thread are not the ones out there flying them over congested city blocks and over heavily populated areas, and if they are they shouldn't be doing it.
IMO, though if we are going to allow commercial ventures such as this, you need to be prepared and covered so that if and when an accident occurs you are covered.
I do think this country is over regulated, I mean look at what small businesses have to do just to be able to try and make a profit, but a few bad apples have ruined for everyone. I do not want to see those bad apples ruin it for the rest of the hobbyist here who just want to fly and do their thing without trying to turn this into a "job". I got enough of those.
03-26-2014, 12:41 PM
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Right, you cannot stop a murderer from murdering someone, but you can slow him down. As far as I am concerned, the regulations won't effect me directly but they will help. I want the drone operator to be licensed, insured, and properly qualified. I don't want him flying a toy, I want a him operating a fully certified drone.
03-26-2014, 12:42 PM
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Haha.....
I assure you that you are very very wrong on this account. I pay a federal license, a state license, a county license and a city license, all to the tune of about $1300. Next I pay liability insurance to the tune of about $11000 a year. then add required membership to the state medical society, the county medical society and the state professional society just to be able to practice. Oh yeah, and if you want to prescribe medications you also need a certificate and license from the DEA to the tune of $500 per year. I know what is required from federal and state and local regulators when it comes to business. Every government office wants a piece of your "self employed" pie, and can figure out a way to get it.
Now back to my original premise, if I decide to go out of my office and open up a toenail clinic a few hours a wekk, at my house, for cash, and only do "toenails" from folks who live in my state, does that mean I won't need these? Oh wait, I also have to take into consideration the zoning ordinances for my neighborhood and make sure that commercial ventures are allowed here, is that not also correct?
When you enter the "business" side of these ventures, it is a whole new ball game. While I agree it sucks donkey nads, I did not write the laws, but have seen enough of them enforced to know that they will find a way to regulate your activity all the way to the ground if you are going to charge for it OR you can rst assured that someone will be watching you with a microscope and the first time you go above 400' they will be there to slap yo' hiney and set you straight.
I assure you that you are very very wrong on this account. I pay a federal license, a state license, a county license and a city license, all to the tune of about $1300. Next I pay liability insurance to the tune of about $11000 a year. then add required membership to the state medical society, the county medical society and the state professional society just to be able to practice. Oh yeah, and if you want to prescribe medications you also need a certificate and license from the DEA to the tune of $500 per year. I know what is required from federal and state and local regulators when it comes to business. Every government office wants a piece of your "self employed" pie, and can figure out a way to get it.
Now back to my original premise, if I decide to go out of my office and open up a toenail clinic a few hours a wekk, at my house, for cash, and only do "toenails" from folks who live in my state, does that mean I won't need these? Oh wait, I also have to take into consideration the zoning ordinances for my neighborhood and make sure that commercial ventures are allowed here, is that not also correct?
When you enter the "business" side of these ventures, it is a whole new ball game. While I agree it sucks donkey nads, I did not write the laws, but have seen enough of them enforced to know that they will find a way to regulate your activity all the way to the ground if you are going to charge for it OR you can rst assured that someone will be watching you with a microscope and the first time you go above 400' they will be there to slap yo' hiney and set you straight.
Your toenail clinic does not require a federal license, it may requre a state license depending on your state. Zoning ordinances are usually a county or city function and the Federal government also has no say in that. My whole point is that sUAVs flying under 400 feet are better controled by state and local government just as your toenail clinic is.
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03-26-2014, 12:51 PM
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I want the drone operator to be licensed, insured, and properly qualified.
03-26-2014, 02:14 PM
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You've actually touched on the root problem. Since the law was less than clear about legalities of such operations I decided not to engage in them...and that is a point that is so important...didn't want to get a $10,000 fine that would cost me thousands to defend... as long as the perspective of mainstream is as it is, it is a losing proposition to entertain such business ventures...But you can bet on one thing for sure, if I had better finances I'd certainly buck the system more.
You've actually touched on the root problem. Since the law was less than clear about legalities of such operations I decided not to engage in them...and that is a point that is so important...didn't want to get a $10,000 fine that would cost me thousands to defend... as long as the perspective of mainstream is as it is, it is a losing proposition to entertain such business ventures...But you can bet on one thing for sure, if I had better finances I'd certainly buck the system more.
03-26-2014, 06:02 PM
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Get it straight, unless you live in an alternate universe, the FAA is an essential government infrastructure service that has performed pretty well throughout its history. I thoroughly expect it to manage the integration of drones into our NAS about as well as it has done everything else.
03-26-2014, 06:09 PM
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03-26-2014, 07:35 PM
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Get it straight, unless you live in an alternate universe, the FAA is an essential government infrastructure service that has performed pretty well throughout its history. I thoroughly expect it to manage the integration of drones into our NAS about as well as it has done everything else.
03-26-2014, 09:03 PM
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03-26-2014, 09:52 PM
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This is a misconception based on past history. The FAA has been studying the issue for several years and WILL take action that will probably include ALL airspace. That action WILL be supported by congress critters because it will be sold to the public as a 'safety' issue (and it really is but do we really need mommy to tell us how to deal with it?). Ain't Amerika great?
03-27-2014, 04:27 AM
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Sport Pilot....you again are not entirely correct on the federal regulation of medicine. One can pay the federal license (DEA # required to prescribe medications) and although the medications are regulated on federal level, the physician has no rights to write a prescription across state lines legally. It usually also requires you to belong to the national organizations in one form or another. And physicians tend to be the most highliy regulated profession, despite what is already considered strenuous training.
But lest I digress, my premise is that the feds are going to regulate these drones / UAVs despite mine or your interpretation of navigatable airspace. As a government entity they probably would not have gotten involved but the spotlight has been too firmly placed on the drones by the mainstream media and now the public has a complete misconception about those who are flying them and the capabilities of these UAVs. The general public thinks they are capable of delivering DVDs and panty hose from Amazon, carrying an automatic shotgun, and following their every move with infrared vision. So despite your claims that the airspace below 400' is yours, and you should be able to make a few bucks with your toys, the government thinks otherwise, and the majority of the populace will back them on this issue. I'd be willing to take a bet on that fact.
But lest I digress, my premise is that the feds are going to regulate these drones / UAVs despite mine or your interpretation of navigatable airspace. As a government entity they probably would not have gotten involved but the spotlight has been too firmly placed on the drones by the mainstream media and now the public has a complete misconception about those who are flying them and the capabilities of these UAVs. The general public thinks they are capable of delivering DVDs and panty hose from Amazon, carrying an automatic shotgun, and following their every move with infrared vision. So despite your claims that the airspace below 400' is yours, and you should be able to make a few bucks with your toys, the government thinks otherwise, and the majority of the populace will back them on this issue. I'd be willing to take a bet on that fact.
03-27-2014, 05:01 AM
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....you again are not entirely correct on the federal regulation of medicine. One can pay the federal license (DEA # required to prescribe medications) and although the medications are regulated on federal level, the physician has no rights to write a prescription across state lines legally.
03-27-2014, 06:06 AM
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So sport pilot by your definition, then the federal government can make these rules, since these items, the drones / UAV, are mostly licensed for sale across the state lines. And you are right it will be tied up in court for years, but you and I would be foolish to spend thousands of dollars to fight this when it would be easier to just follow the rules.....they know this and that is why they will win in the end.
03-27-2014, 07:15 AM
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So sport pilot by your definition, then the federal government can make these rules, since these items, the drones / UAV, are mostly licensed for sale across the state lines. And you are right it will be tied up in court for years, but you and I would be foolish to spend thousands of dollars to fight this when it would be easier to just follow the rules.....they know this and that is why they will win in the end.
His angst is not wrong, just out of order, a generation or 3 too late and in many cases not based on the correct facts but ideas, impressions and desires. That is part of what makes it so difficult. His 'class' of sUAV flyer will do the things that ultimately will cause the actions he is against but he has no concept of the rule of unintended consequences and will continue to exercise his rights until they are taken away for 'probable' cause. That is NOT an aggressive statement but a simple reporting of provable facts (look at ALL the sUAV videos that have gone viral for numerous examples that drive public (and legislative) opinion). The unfortunate thing is that the USSC has already had several cases in history where the opinions were centered on safety rather than rights, and so stated!
The first time one of these things injures (or worse kills) an innocent bystander (or ANYONE for that matter) the outcry will be for stringent regulation. That is what drove the 1928 CAA/FAA actions and they are of the same class as we have been discussing. The recent rash of 'incidents' will continue until the public, possibly under instruction by the media, has had enough.
Here is a question for SP. I am interested in how can you insist on more rights for your sUAV's then are granted GA pilots? What is the basis of that demand?
03-27-2014, 07:20 AM
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One of the reasons the FAA and Transport Canada want to regulate the commercial side of these drones/UAS/UAV. This professor built this thing, barely knows how to fly it (he lost it in a gust of wind) and it landed across the street in a controlled crash down town showing off in front of the media. Then he goes on to state he intends to let students fly this as part of a curriculum he will be teaching. Great going downtown make sure you have your hard hat on.
http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2014/03...entre-project/
Dennis
http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2014/03...entre-project/
Dennis
03-27-2014, 07:30 AM
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So sport pilot by your definition, then the federal government can make these rules, since these items, the drones / UAV, are mostly licensed for sale across the state lines.
I do not plan to use commercial drones or even recreationally, so I will not be spending money. But I suspect the defendant (is it Packy?) has already spent more than the fine. IMO he is lucky someone did not pull some local ordinance on him because what he did was dangerous. The local authorityies were probably told that the FAA trumped him. I kinda hope that they now do so, not sure how that would affect his case with the FAA.
03-27-2014, 07:31 AM
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Here is a question for SP. I am interested in how can you insist on more rights for your sUAV's then are granted GA pilots? What is the basis of that demand?
03-27-2014, 07:34 AM
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One of the reasons the FAA and Transport Canada want to regulate the commercial side of these drones/UAS/UAV. This professor built this thing, barely knows how to fly it (he lost it in a gust of wind) and it landed across the street in a controlled crash down town showing off in front of the media. Then he goes on to state he intends to let students fly this as part of a curriculum he will be teaching. Great going downtown make sure you have your hard hat on.
http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2014/03...entre-project/
Dennis
http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2014/03...entre-project/
Dennis
03-27-2014, 07:37 AM
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His angst is not wrong, just out of order, a generation or 3 too late and in many cases not based on the correct facts but ideas,