gpoore

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I am currently an EMS rotor pilot, I hold an ATP RW and FW PVT SEL

I assure you, if an inspector wanted to warrant a complaint along 91.13 against a rated pilot for reckless or careless UAV/RC/drone operations, he could. And, if you don't think its possible, then operate at will.

I am always leery of the FAA when I am flying RC. While I would never give any credence to it, I wouldn't put it past some FAA inspectors. To most, it is about their power and using it!

Only a matter of time before a rated pilot is made an example of.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if in the future an airmans certificate will be required to operate RC aircraft. Silly I know, but it is coming, at least for commercial ops of drone and UAV. We will see if the AMA has enough grit to protect the hobbyist.

FliteMetal

Where were you people when this information needed to be spread through out the AMA club population,
the ones who considered this someone else's job to stand up and fight for. Did everyone here write in and
profess your position on the multiple issues which accompanied the FAA open forum for public response?

I didn't ask to see a posted reply. I merely point to the opportunity for this apparent energy to be placed
where it would do the most good.

None of this has anything to do with previous aviation law precedence. It has everything to do with the UAV
industry's deep pockets to shut us up and push us aside since we do not have the stomach or guts to do
our own due diligence and stand up for our interests.

"The" difference here folks is the FAA is used to their Quisi-legislative position where-in they make and
enforce their own law. In this explicit case they are ignoring legislated due process law without even so
much as a nano-second concern for consequence.

They have pushed back on publishing their position once again. This time its "after" the Fall elections.

I have always been amazed at US R/C pilots referring to the AMA as "they" when it is in fact..."we". As if
there was some group of people who took it upon themselves to represent modelers. A statement of "we
have identified the enemy and they resemble ourselves".

If you think there is something else that should be done I am absolutely sure your elected officers in your
club would like to learn of it to pass on to the people "you" elected to represent you at the District level &
in Muncie at AMA headquarters.

mongo

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i do believe, that, in the 5 instances of a model airplane induced fatality here in the USA, all were aircraft that weighed less than 10 pounds.

littlecrankshaf

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And I think it was an AMA member in command every time...or at least all that I can remember were...

TimJ

Don't bite on this people.

littlecrankshaf

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yea...how dare me! Do ignore... just send in your $58 and be immune with never ending life...LOL

Sport_Pilot

Which only proves that a fatality is not very likely. Probably thousands of injuries. But even a few fatalities are not a federal case. States can handle model airplane accidents even if a fatality is involved.

joebahl

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Yep but i would feel real bad for the rest of my life if i killed some one even if they did not throw me in jail for it. Geeze ! I know some one who killed someone driving and he fled to another country. He later came back and turned himself in because he could not sleep or eat for the year he was gone. . joe

c550

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I agree with what Horrace wrote, except that my certification is my livelihood, I am a responsible operator but if for some reason the FAA wanted to look into my modeling activities and that could jeopardize my ability to feed my family it is a very chilling overreach, but that seems to be the direction everything is going.

Dave

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chuckk2

Y'all are forgetting the bureaucrats mantra!
If it ain't specifically allowed, it's forbidden!
It's all about "CONTROL".

joebahl

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I would like to win it then stomp on it in front of them all. joe

phlpsfrnk

Recently;

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news...s222908-1.html

Frank

r_adical

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And there you have it in writing....


Does the AMA have a clue who they are dealing with?

Hossfly

Thanks much Mr. frank. There is a lot of just plain good reading in that web-site. OTOH it is scary concerning some really bad judgment displayed here and there from supposedly real pilots. It scares me that so many supposedly real pilots are so lacking in basic "flight-smarts".

Top_Gunn

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So does this change your mind? Or do you still consider the AMA's suggestion that full-scale pilots could lose their certificates for doing things with models "objectionable" and "fear mongering"?

TimJ

Read the rule first, then answer carefully.

JohnShe

Do something stupid and you get what you deserve. A certified pilot should know better.

Rob2160

I tend to agree. I have been in RC for 36 years and full scale flying for 33.

I am Australian and live in Sydney but my job requires a USA ATP as our aircraft is N registered and flies internationally.

Professional pilots should be held to a higher standard than others. I have no issue with this.

I have just completed a build on a beautiful quad with gimbal and GoPro and spent the last three weekends driving around Sydney looking for a place to film some of our spectacular scenery..

There were many locations that I could have legally flown but when assessing the safety of others in the area common sense stopped me from flying.

Those with aviation experience should set an example for the safe operation of model aircraft and the same applies for any experienced RC pilot.

joebahl

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I wish we had more like you flying Quads ,if we did i would not be so anti fpv . joe

JohnShe

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Here is the official change order. It is a real page turner.

bradpaul

Yeah the only "fear mongering" was was against the fact that the AMA DID KNOW THAT THE FAA COULD REVOKE A CERTIFICATE FOR A MODEL AIRCRAFT ENDANGERING THE NAS.

phlpsfrnk

Al,
To answer your first question first, No. To answer your second question, Yes, more so than before. Anyone who has had formal ground school training and passed the syllabus (FAA airman knowledge test) knows that the FAA can hold an individual accountable for poor decision making in or out of the cockpit as it concerns their airman certificates. The objectionable statements of post #1 were;

1. Are you a model aircraft enthusiast?

As a model aircraft enthusiast you are now subject to all the rules and regulations of the National Airspace System, including those intended for full-scale aircraft. (I believe, and the FAA believes that model aircraft have always been subject to the rules and regulation of the NAS.) If you are a private pilot and are cited for a violation while flying a model aircraft, your full-scale license may be jeopardized. (Not sure why this statement is here except to instill fear. As a trained certified pilot if I bust regs full-scale or otherwise I would expect some consequences but I have been trained to expect that.)

The AMA writer did not even understand that there isn’t a Pilot’s license to lose and if he/she had any formal training would have referred to it as an airman certificate. The question goes on to state with no further reference to the full-scale license (sic) the AMA's Viewpoint;

The FAA’s interpretation concludes with the statement that an unknown number of aviation regulations “may apply to model aircraft operations, depending on the particular circumstances of the operation.” I believe this sweeping statement is contrary to Congressional intent in the 2012 statute, in which Congress required the FAA to exempt recreational model aircraft from new aviation regulations and to continue to allow community-based organizations to self-govern the hobby instead. This interpretation negatively affects me because the FAA has not provided guidance on what kind of model aircraft use might now be subject to regulation and possible penalties. This seems unfair.

This along with the other statements in the AMA’s Understanding the FAA's Interpretation of the Rule and How to Comment were so full of half-truths and misdirection’s that I found the whole thing ludicrous.

I would be curious to know if there were any FAA certified pilots involved in the writing of the AMA’s Understanding the FAA's Interpretation of the Rule and How to Comment. Anyone know?


Regards
Frank

JohnShe

I can not help but notice that just about everyone, especially the AMA, keeps misquoting and misinterpreting the FAA's stand on applying regulations in 14CFR91.1 to model aviation. In fact, the exact statement is; (with important words highlighted)

"The FAA could apply several regulations in part 91 when determining whether to take enforcement action against a model aircraft operator for endangering the NAS."

The FAA, rather verbosely describes the two major points throughout the interpretive rule:

First, they describe what "endangering the NAS" means.

Second, the describe which regulations may be applied and why.

I consider the term "endangering the NAS", to be the key words here. If we don't do anything, stupidly or on purpose, that endangers the NAS we will not be subject to FAA regulations. That is also stated frequently and clearly in the interpretive rule. Although the AMA got the intent wrong, it was still a statement of fact that a Pilots certificate was in danger if he did something stupid or malicious.

Hossfly

Hello Mr Frank:

Maybe you (we) are being too hard on this AMA. I am beginning to think just how difficult things are for them. They are doing their best especially in duplication.

I, just last week, received my 2ND AMA card for 2015. Very important information each being identical, First line is of course "ACADEMY OF MODEL AERONAUTICS".
Next line is "2015 MEMBER expires 12/31/2099" Now think there, as I am for years been a Life Member they know when I will expire. Hey Man that is nice to know when I should sign my last BLANK check, RIGHT? Look just how long I am going to live! WOW!
Next is my name. This time they even spelled it correctly. NEAT! Off to the side it states L93 Open. Just great all around!
They even list all my "goodie" things:
LIFE MEMBER
LEADER ADMIN
IP INSTRUCTOR
CONTEST DIRECTOR
MUSEUM PATRON

They even sent it out twice, probably they know I do lose things now and then. That is so nice, don't you agree? WOW, another 85 years, much more than this one so far.