Question for Horrace Cain, candidate for AMA Executive VP in 2014 re: AMA and drones
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I actually agree with what you have said. I also agree that the whole world of FPV does not agree with you or I. I also believe the vast majority of AMA members do not desire FPV and believe what the AMA has been seeking is those outside of the AMA membership. I also believe by the very nature of the FPV crowd, the toy side, it is not in the AMA's best interest to seek them. But I also believe the AMA is not so much seeking the toy side but rather to benefit from the business side. If the AMA could generate legislation that would put them as the overseer's of FPV in general, that would be a large revenue stream compared to us modelers. This is what I believe they seek and I believe they would be willing to hurt our toy side to achieve that goal.
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As a matter of fact a simple trip through the FPV threads will yield an understanding of just how lacking the interest is compared the rest of the extremely vast forum.
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Simple, the numerous forums I participate on, and the couple hundred clubs I have visited in the last few years in my travels around the eastern half of the states. I have yet to see anyone at a club using FPV nor have I personally spoke with anyone that does. For the most part the average flyer does not see the point.
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When it comes to sending any size machine out Cross-Country without the ability to keep it in visual control only by the eye, not some visual machine, then I do not buy that kind of operation. To me I see $$$ waving in someone's brain and that is not good for our sport. (Notice I seldom use "hobby") I consider model aviation a SPORT.
You guys might think I am some kind of dummy, but if I get elected there will be some serious heart-burn in various places. Nope, if not elected, then the war is over. If there is a business it will be for MODEL AVIATION in all current realms. There is a significant number of new DVPs that will be on the EC next year. Times are a changin', Ol' Pards.
Yet, there are also numbers of targets, and I may well be one.
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Mr Cain,
I just came to realize what and how about your views. Sorry it took so long to figure it out. I now understand your position and will ask no other questions. Good luck in your quest!
I just came to realize what and how about your views. Sorry it took so long to figure it out. I now understand your position and will ask no other questions. Good luck in your quest!
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I do ! The AMA wants to waist money on them,our money ! they also want to put the rest of us normal rc planes flyers right in the sights of the FAA when the FPV flyers dont follow any rules and guess who will have to pay for that also ? joe
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HMMM...Maybe the AMA should indeed start a brothel...One reason is the the low start up costs compared to the quarter mil for this FPV stuff. They'd just have to run it by hand fort awhile until things get going good.
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I think this sentence will earn you far more votes than you'd imagine ......
One thing I would like to see clarified , not specifically from Hoss but from everyone else here in general also ; Are you folks making the distinction between "AMA doc # 550 legal" FPV and commercial drones ? Because I think ALL #550 compliant FPV for hobby entertainment IS as much a part of our hobby as any other sub genre (freeflight , turbine , floatplane , etc) , and that any commercial drone activity is about as related to hobby RC as our AMA is related to quilting !
I see many instances of "FPV" being used when I would hope the folks are talking about "Drone" . Remember , FPV in the AMA sense = doc # 550 , and Drone = commercial operations . I fear not our organization embracing FPV , but believe the higher ups are chasing somehow being relevant in the Drone operations that as a hobby based organization our AMA has NO right whatsoever becoming involved in . When the really big Drone $$$ begin to flow in we hobbyists of ALL types of flight will be swept away like yesterday's trash . It's called "Repurposing" or "Rebranding" by the corporate shmucks that have ruined our country along with the politicians , and don't for a minute think that it couldn't happen to us !
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One thing I would like to see clarified , not specifically from Hoss but from everyone else here in general also ; Are you folks making the distinction between "AMA doc # 550 legal" FPV and commercial drones ? Because I think ALL #550 compliant FPV for hobby entertainment IS as much a part of our hobby as any other sub genre (freeflight , turbine , floatplane , etc) , and that any commercial drone activity is about as related to hobby RC as our AMA is related to quilting !
I see many instances of "FPV" being used when I would hope the folks are talking about "Drone" . Remember , FPV in the AMA sense = doc # 550 , and Drone = commercial operations . I fear not our organization embracing FPV , but believe the higher ups are chasing somehow being relevant in the Drone operations that as a hobby based organization our AMA has NO right whatsoever becoming involved in . When the really big Drone $$$ begin to flow in we hobbyists of ALL types of flight will be swept away like yesterday's trash . It's called "Repurposing" or "Rebranding" by the corporate shmucks that have ruined our country along with the politicians , and don't for a minute think that it couldn't happen to us !
I see many instances of "FPV" being used when I would hope the folks are talking about "Drone" . Remember , FPV in the AMA sense = doc # 550 , and Drone = commercial operations . I fear not our organization embracing FPV , but believe the higher ups are chasing somehow being relevant in the Drone operations that as a hobby based organization our AMA has NO right whatsoever becoming involved in . When the really big Drone $$$ begin to flow in we hobbyists of ALL types of flight will be swept away like yesterday's trash . It's called "Repurposing" or "Rebranding" by the corporate shmucks that have ruined our country along with the politicians , and don't for a minute think that it couldn't happen to us !
Pretty much outlines the future of any self-serving business.
Just wish AMA would promote the hobby...over and beyond even its own existence...but alas all is constructed to only include themselves...as any business, self-preservation reins supreme.
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There are many more regular rc plane flyers like me who think that the FPV flyers should have started their own non for proffit org and brought the unwanted attention on themselves . Its kinda to late now with my AMA up to its neck in the mess now and spending money on them . Just because the AMA took them in for what ever reason$$ does not mean the rest of us has to like it now that instead of making money it will be loosing it.Reminds me of the AMA park program thats anouther open wound for them. joe
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There are many more regular rc plane flyers like me who think that the FPV flyers should have started their own non for proffit org and brought the unwanted attention on themselves . Its kinda to late now with my AMA up to its neck in the mess now and spending money on them . Just because the AMA took them in for what ever reason$$ does not mean the rest of us has to like it now that instead of making money it will be loosing it.Reminds me of the AMA park program thats anouther open wound for them. joe
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You're right in wanting a separate org for FPV...the problem is the AMA will likely take them in as another SIG in the long run. The engineering over the years almost guarantees it. The park Program was an attempt to bring more modelers into the fold of all AMA...FPV will be no different IMO. Its more about org growth than promoting the hobby IMO
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Some of us dont see FPVs as a hobby and see it more like our kids playing video games . Are you really looking at the countryside with a FPV or just seeing how high and far you can go with out crashing ? To video or take pictures the country side ,Aspen mountians , death valley canyon of fire ,red rock ,giant redwood trees in Ca , buy a Harley or any other form of a motorcycle like i did when young and go video/ pictures of them in person like i did in 48 states . joe
Now about FPV if flown per the AMA guide lines fine, then it is part of the hobby, But any thing out side of that it is a DRONE and should be under the eyes of the FAA.
Now Farmers using it over they on property checking crops and herd's of animals is a good thing but most likely a NO coast permit with the FAA might be in order just to keep track of them.
local/state law enforcement because they would be flying over the 400 ft. limit should have qualified pilots and an observer/recording the flight, under FAA guide lines. except for the military, any other drones should all fall under the FAA watch.
Jus my way of thinking
Cheers Bob T
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Obviously only true computer users use DOS. Only real programmers have to replace a tape cartridge ever 30 minutes. Kids today just don't understand. We need to stop these "Windows" machines. Obviously they are not real computers, and are only used by hooligans who have no respect for REAL computer users like myself.
The government better crack down on those newfangled PCs... They need to be regulated into the ground!
Wait, you want to regulate me too? I don't support government regulation - that's communism!
I'm going to go home and rant about it online with my 2014 Macbook Pro for everyone to hear. Computers these days are the downfall of society!
That's my two cents.
The government better crack down on those newfangled PCs... They need to be regulated into the ground!
Wait, you want to regulate me too? I don't support government regulation - that's communism!
I'm going to go home and rant about it online with my 2014 Macbook Pro for everyone to hear. Computers these days are the downfall of society!
That's my two cents.
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Obviously only true computer users use DOS. Only real programmers have to replace a tape cartridge ever 30 minutes. Kids today just don't understand. We need to stop these "Windows" machines. Obviously they are not real computers, and are only used by hooligans who have no respect for REAL computer users like myself.
The government better crack down on those newfangled PCs... They need to be regulated into the ground!
Wait, you want to regulate me too? I don't support government regulation - that's communism!
I'm going to go home and rant about it online with my 2014 Macbook Pro for everyone to hear. Computers these days are the downfall of society!
That's my two cents.
The government better crack down on those newfangled PCs... They need to be regulated into the ground!
Wait, you want to regulate me too? I don't support government regulation - that's communism!
I'm going to go home and rant about it online with my 2014 Macbook Pro for everyone to hear. Computers these days are the downfall of society!
That's my two cents.
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One can not compare the drone issue with other complaints of regulation is becoming communistic. The FAA has to do something about the issues it see's in the national airspace. The FAA is trying to separate the modeler from the others, which in my opinion is a daunting if not impossible task. My fear as is with other's is that the FAA groups us together or bans us all together. I have, and see, no issue with FPV following AMA's guideline's but the issue is everyone that does not follow, care to follow, or even know of, the AMA. We have all seen example's of individuals whom could care less about anything but having their fun irregardless of the cost to anyone for any reason. Like I have said before, I have been to hundreds of clubs in the eastern US and have yet to see anyone partaking of FPV. Nor have I spoke with anyone that does. But, I have seen and heard of many doing their own thing and creating trouble such as peeking into a neighbors window, flying over or around restricted areas, or causing damage to others and/ or property and disappearing.
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One can not compare the drone issue with other complaints of regulation is becoming communistic. The FAA has to do something about the issues it see's in the national airspace. The FAA is trying to separate the modeler from the others, which in my opinion is a daunting if not impossible task. My fear as is with other's is that the FAA groups us together or bans us all together. I have, and see, no issue with FPV following AMA's guideline's but the issue is everyone that does not follow, care to follow, or even know of, the AMA. We have all seen example's of individuals whom could care less about anything but having their fun irregardless of the cost to anyone for any reason. Like I have said before, I have been to hundreds of clubs in the eastern US and have yet to see anyone partaking of FPV. Nor have I spoke with anyone that does. But, I have seen and heard of many doing their own thing and creating trouble such as peeking into a neighbors window, flying over or around restricted areas, or causing damage to others and/ or property and disappearing.
There is nothing wrong with FPV, But as I have said before the FAA and the AMA should sat down togather and come up with some rules for RC flyers as a whole FPV included.
Once the rules are out anybody that wont abide by them should be open game for the FAA to deal with and it should not matter if they are a AMA member are not.
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There is nothing wrong with FPV, But as I have said before the FAA and the AMA should sat down togather and come up with some rules for RC flyers as a whole FPV included.
Once the rules are out anybody that wont abide by them should be open game for the FAA to deal with and it should not matter if they are a AMA member are not.
Once the rules are out anybody that wont abide by them should be open game for the FAA to deal with and it should not matter if they are a AMA member are not.
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I can understand the desire to maintain what we've always understood is "model aviation"...as it mirrors what we have always know as "aviation"... But that, aviation, will constantly evolve...there will always be change. There is some amazing stuff coming that we can only imagine now...but by virtue of that imagination it will come to pass. Example; there will be a future of autonomous full scale man carrying air vessels... That's going to happen... Just consider, as in history, even before there were actual full-sized man carrying aircraft, there were models first...
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I can understand the desire to maintain what we've always understood is "model aviation"...as it mirrors what we have always know as "aviation"... But that, aviation, will constantly evolve...there will always be change. There is some amazing stuff coming that we can only imagine now...but by virtue of that imagination it will come to pass. Example; there will be a future of autonomous full scale man carrying air vessels... That's going to happen... Just consider, as in history, even before there were actual full-sized man carrying aircraft, there were models first...