a sticky wicket, indeed
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http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...cumentid/22425
may prove out to be rather a bad thing in the works.
may prove out to be rather a bad thing in the works.
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Ahh........understand your comment better now. Yes, some folks posting here do have their fingers pointed at FPV as the root of all evils that will befall modeldom. Doesn't appear to be a widespread sentiment though.
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FPV has nothing to do with it. It is all about section 336 of the FAA modernization act. This has been a long time coming and should have been expected by everybody. The FAA is locking things up so they can regulate commercial and public drone use without interfering with, or being bothered by, recreational model aviation. I see it as a good thing.
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FPV has nothing to do with it. It is all about section 336 of the FAA modernization act. This has been a long time coming and should have been expected by everybody. The FAA is locking things up so they can regulate commercial and public drone use without interfering with, or being bothered by, recreational model aviation. I see it as a good thing.
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Well, the wrote AC 91-57 in 1981 and looked the other way until congress wrote a law telling the FAA to integrate public and commercial drones into the NAS. The law, thanks to AMA lobbying, excluded recreational model aviation from the drone integration legislation. It is clearly the intent of the FAA to obey the law and exclude us from these regulations, witness their interpretation rule that the have just published for comment.
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If the AMA and model airplane lobbyists would have left well enough alone when the modernization act was drafted, then I can be reasonably certain that AC 91-57 would still exist. I have no doubt in my mind that the FAA higher-ups were a little more than unhappy when Section 336 was put into place. Honestly: I strongly feel that in the FAA's opinion, a person has no business putting anything in the air without a medical certificate and a license.
How far can the FAA go with their restrictions on hobby model flying?
How far can the FAA go with their restrictions on hobby model flying?
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If the AMA and model airplane lobbyists would have left well enough alone when the modernization act was drafted, then I can be reasonably certain that AC 91-57 would still exist. I have no doubt in my mind that the FAA higher-ups were a little more than unhappy when Section 336 was put into place. Honestly: I strongly feel that in the FAA's opinion, a person has no business putting anything in the air without a medical certificate and a license.
How far can the FAA go with their restrictions on hobby model flying?
How far can the FAA go with their restrictions on hobby model flying?
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Really? Just a driver's license, and you can march on down to the FOB, hop into anything less than 120mph & under 1,200lb, cruise on down the runway and have a ball huh? Well golly gee, if you've ever been denied a medical, you can get into a lot of trouble for doing just that. That'll give you three hots and a cot on the taxpayer's dime for a year or two anyway. No doubt an optimist would appreciate the free room and board that goes with it, though. Right?
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Really? Just a driver's license, and you can march on down to the FOB, hop into anything less than 120mph & under 1,200lb, cruise on down the runway and have a ball huh? Well golly gee, if you've ever been denied a medical, you can get into a lot of trouble for doing just that. That'll give you three hots and a cot on the taxpayer's dime for a year or two anyway. No doubt an optimist would appreciate the free room and board that goes with it, though. Right?
Wow, have you ever considered trolling for a living? Read the brochure from the FAA on sport pilot requirements.
MEDICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SPORT PILOT (14 CFR part 61.23/53/303)
A Medical or U.S. Driver’s License (Other than Balloon or Glider)
A Student Pilot Seeking Sport Pilot Privileges in a Light-Sport Aircraft
A Pilot Exercising the Privileges of a Sport Pilot Certificate
A Flight Instructor Acting as PIC of a Light-Sport Aircraft
A Person Using a Current and Valid U.S. Driver’s License Must
Comply With Each Restriction and Limitation Imposed on Your Drivers License
Comply With Any Judicial or Administrative Order Applying to the Operation of a Motor Vehicle
Not Have Been Denied Your Most Recent Application for a Medical Certificate (If You Have Applied for Medical Certificate)
Not Have Your Most Recently Issued Medical Certificate Suspended or Revoked (If You Have Been Issued a Medical Certificate)
Not Had Your Most Recent Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate Withdrawn (A Special Issuance Is Not a Denial)
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...SPBrochure.pdf
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Wow, have you ever considered trolling for a living? Read the brochure from the FAA on sport pilot requirements.
MEDICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SPORT PILOT (14 CFR part 61.23/53/303)
A Medical or U.S. Driver’s License (Other than Balloon or Glider)
A Student Pilot Seeking Sport Pilot Privileges in a Light-Sport Aircraft
A Pilot Exercising the Privileges of a Sport Pilot Certificate
A Flight Instructor Acting as PIC of a Light-Sport Aircraft
A Person Using a Current and Valid U.S. Driver’s License Must
Comply With Each Restriction and Limitation Imposed on Your Drivers License
Comply With Any Judicial or Administrative Order Applying to the Operation of a Motor Vehicle
Not Have Been Denied Your Most Recent Application for a Medical Certificate (If You Have Applied for Medical Certificate)
Not Have Your Most Recently Issued Medical Certificate Suspended or Revoked (If You Have Been Issued a Medical Certificate)
Not Had Your Most Recent Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate Withdrawn (A Special Issuance Is Not a Denial)
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...SPBrochure.pdf
MEDICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SPORT PILOT (14 CFR part 61.23/53/303)
A Medical or U.S. Driver’s License (Other than Balloon or Glider)
A Student Pilot Seeking Sport Pilot Privileges in a Light-Sport Aircraft
A Pilot Exercising the Privileges of a Sport Pilot Certificate
A Flight Instructor Acting as PIC of a Light-Sport Aircraft
A Person Using a Current and Valid U.S. Driver’s License Must
Comply With Each Restriction and Limitation Imposed on Your Drivers License
Comply With Any Judicial or Administrative Order Applying to the Operation of a Motor Vehicle
Not Have Been Denied Your Most Recent Application for a Medical Certificate (If You Have Applied for Medical Certificate)
Not Have Your Most Recently Issued Medical Certificate Suspended or Revoked (If You Have Been Issued a Medical Certificate)
Not Had Your Most Recent Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate Withdrawn (A Special Issuance Is Not a Denial)
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...SPBrochure.pdf
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Wow, you are still trying to troll, well maybe you will eventually learn how. The part that you highlighted refers only to those who are using medical certification because they don't have a valid drivers license. It, most certainly, is not a catch 22.
Read the sport pilot brochure again.
Read the sport pilot brochure again.
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Wow, you are still trying to troll, well maybe you will eventually learn how. The part that you highlighted refers only to those who are using medical certification because they don't have a valid drivers license. It, most certainly, is not a catch 22.
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http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...SPBrochure.pdf
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Well, I was partly wrong. You can use a medical in place of a driver's license. But your main argument is wrong. Read Post 14 again. The three requirements that NorfolkSouthern underlined and bolded are requirements that must be met by "a person using ... a driver's license." So, to get a sport pilot certificte, you must either pass a medical or have a driver's license, and if you are going to go the driver's license route, you must not have failed your last medical or had your last medical suspended or revoked. So you got this exactly backward: these requirements are for people using a driver's license instead of a current medical, not for people using a medical in place of a driver's license. Quite apart from the fact that this is what it says, it wouldn't make any sense at all to make these things a requirement for people who have a medical: If you have a current medical, it couldn't have been suspended or revoked and you couldn't have been denied. If those things had happened, you wouldn't have a current medical.
None of which means the FAA will require a medical for people to fly models. Though it's possible, I suppose.
None of which means the FAA will require a medical for people to fly models. Though it's possible, I suppose.
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Sorry, the link to the brochure (A PDF File) is on this page.
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...n/sport_pilot/
Look for:
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...n/sport_pilot/
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- Sport Pilot Brochure (PDF, 273 KB)
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Well, I was partly wrong. You can use a medical in place of a driver's license. But your main argument is wrong. Read Post 14 again. The three requirements that NorfolkSouthern underlined and bolded are requirements that must be met by "a person using ... a driver's license." So, to get a sport pilot certificte, you must either pass a medical or have a driver's license, and if you are going to go the driver's license route, you must not have failed your last medical or had your last medical suspended or revoked. So you got this exactly backward: these requirements are for people using a driver's license instead of a current medical, not for people using a medical in place of a driver's license. Quite apart from the fact that this is what it says, it wouldn't make any sense at all to make these things a requirement for people who have a medical: If you have a current medical, it couldn't have been suspended or revoked and you couldn't have been denied. If those things had happened, you wouldn't have a current medical.
None of which means the FAA will require a medical for people to fly models. Though it's possible, I suppose.
None of which means the FAA will require a medical for people to fly models. Though it's possible, I suppose.
There will be no regulations for model aircraft flyers who abide by the rules of a CBO. But, if you cannot or will not follow the rules you are screwed and I have no sympathy.
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Sorry, the link to the brochure (A PDF File) is on this page.
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...n/sport_pilot/
Look for:
http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certific...n/sport_pilot/
Look for:
- Sport Pilot Brochure (PDF, 273 KB)
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You missed the. rather frequent use of, the word "IF". I know it's teeny-tiny and could easily be hidden by the merest dust speck on your monocle, but it is there and it changes everything.
Before making snide remarks, it would be a good idea to see whether you are right. Are you still seriously maintaining that these requirements about not having your last medical revoked, etc., apply to people who want to use a current medical to qualify? That would be crazy.
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[QUOTE=JohnShe;11898315......
There will be no regulations for model aircraft flyers who abide by the rules of a CBO. But, if you cannot or will not follow the rules you are screwed and I have no sympathy.[/QUOTE]
You speak like a person in authority or in charge....by any chance are you in any way connected to the FAA or other government department.....if so, NOW I'M HAPPY!!!!
There will be no regulations for model aircraft flyers who abide by the rules of a CBO. But, if you cannot or will not follow the rules you are screwed and I have no sympathy.[/QUOTE]
You speak like a person in authority or in charge....by any chance are you in any way connected to the FAA or other government department.....if so, NOW I'M HAPPY!!!!
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