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Old 09-24-2017, 05:59 AM
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Read my statement again .... Itsn't say anything about wright or wrong it is a statement that whom ever wrote the artical doesn't get his facts stright of who hit who.
"An Army Black Hawk helicopter was struck by a drone" .... Just Who Hit Who? Does a 'Bird Strike' hit the plane or does the Plane hit the Bird?
In the case of one who is truly faultless , like the odd "Apples & Oranges" comparison you made about a birdstrike , it is always that the plane hit the bird , BECAUSE THE BIRD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE !

Now , with the case that Mike posted about , of a drone striking a military helicopter , since the helicopter WAS supposed to be there , and the lousy POS drone WAS NOT supposed to be there , it's obvious to all who don't have some "Drones are GREAT !!!!" agenda to push (repeatedly , obnoxiously) exactly whom hit whom .

How's THAT for determining fault ........
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Old 09-24-2017, 10:40 AM
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A further thought on this drones hitting stuff they shouldn't business ;

Since these "bad bad drone" stories first began hitting the news maybe 5 or so years ago , how many have their been ? 5 ? Or more ? and how about throwing in the stories where unauthorized drones got in the way of firefighting & other public service operations , what maybe 20 or so stories all in all ? Maybe more ?

Now , in that same timeframe , just how many of these stories involved what some past members here scornfully called "traditional" RC flying ? You know what I'm talking about , some guy with an RC P-51 Mustang causing firefighting operations to be grounded till the area is clear ? Oh , there weren't any of those kinda stories ? Maybe once in a blue moon an out of control RC has caused damage , but that's the whole point , there is no comparing the relatively few instances of malfunction caused damage VS the kinds of misuse caused damage being brought by the improper* use of this technology .

*unrestricted hobby beyond line of sight flight .

I rest my case .
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Old 09-25-2017, 01:26 PM
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Why did the heli not crash and burn? I thought everybody said they would. Just a nick on the blade. The oil cooler didn't even have a leak.
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Old 09-25-2017, 01:45 PM
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Why did the heli not crash and burn? I thought everybody said they would. Just a nick on the blade. The oil cooler didn't even have a leak.
Hi Sport ,

A very good question indeed , and the best answer I can come up with is ; "Pure , sheer , raw , unadulterated , luck !"

My Friend , as has also been stated many times in the past , it's no 100% certainty that every strike will result in damage enough to cause death . Who knows ? Maybe you can hit a chopper 1000 times with a drone before one finds the "sweet spot" that will doom the flight . I sure as Hell wouldn't want to be the guy one number after ol number 999 , that's for sure
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" Why did the heli not crash and burn? I thought everybody said they would. Just a nick on the blade. The oil cooler didn't even have a leak. "

Maybe you'll get your wish next time.That's the most ridiculous thing you've posted. I guess your siding with the drone pilot.

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Old 09-25-2017, 06:44 PM
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That's the most ridiculous thing you've posted. I guess your siding with the drone pilot.

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It must not have happened if the Blackhawk didn't crash. Just another one of those anti-droner, conspiracy theory things.

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Old 09-26-2017, 05:38 AM
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Hi Sport ,

A very good question indeed , and the best answer I can come up with is ; "Pure , sheer , raw , unadulterated , luck !"

My Friend , as has also been stated many times in the past , it's no 100% certainty that every strike will result in damage enough to cause death . Who knows ? Maybe you can hit a chopper 1000 times with a drone before one finds the "sweet spot" that will doom the flight . I sure as Hell wouldn't want to be the guy one number after ol number 999 , that's for sure
Not luck at all. Most drones are just too small to cause any serious damage. In fact I told everybody it would be a long time coming and it will cause very little damage.
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Not luck at all. Most drones are just too small to cause any serious damage. In fact I told everybody it would be a long time coming and it will cause very little damage.
Interesting that in your eyes just because it hasn't happened means it can't.
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Not luck at all. Most drones are just too small to cause any serious damage. In fact I told everybody it would be a long time coming and it will cause very little damage.
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Old 09-27-2017, 06:41 PM
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Interesting that in your eyes just because it hasn't happened means it can't.
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It can but the chances are way to small to be restricting our hobby!! That is the point.
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Old 09-28-2017, 04:36 AM
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It can but the chances are way to small to be restricting our hobby!! That is the point.
OK, now why not toss out a number that is acceptable as far as risk.

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Serious accident is probably over billion to one. With some education. No need to ground RC aircraft.
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Old 09-28-2017, 07:07 AM
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" Why did the heli not crash and burn? I thought everybody said they would. Just a nick on the blade. The oil cooler didn't even have a leak. "

Maybe you'll get your wish next time.That's the most ridiculous thing you've posted. I guess your siding with the drone pilot.

Mike
Look at the pic. All it did was nic the composite material and exposed the titanium leading edge strip. I saw something similar but a bit smaller and they just feathered out the area and flew. Now maybe they flew to a base that could replace or repair the blade I don't know.
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Old 09-28-2017, 04:33 PM
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kinda sounds like the attitude of the folks at nasa, before that "o-ring" incedent.
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Old 09-29-2017, 04:07 AM
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Serious accident is probably over billion to one. With some education. No need to ground RC aircraft.
Hows that working out?

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Old 09-29-2017, 12:32 PM
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Now, let's be clear on what has been said about drones striking aircraft:
1) No one has said a rotor strike would down a chopper
2) Many, me included, have said a drone being sucked into a turbine engine VERY LIKELY COULD CAUSE ENOUGH DAMAGE TO DESTROY THAT TURBINE ENGINE
I've seen rotor blades on H-3 Sea Kings after a bird was hit that were deemed unusable upon landing while others were left on for several more flights. In this case, I'd say the pilot and crew got very lucky as the blade held up and the oil cooler wasn't seriously damaged. I'd also say the drone operator was very lucky he wasn't spotted or he'd be sitting in a jail cell right now.
Just had another thought. It is very likely the drone was above the Blackhawk since, by nature, a rotor blade is pushing air downward to generate lift. That means a low pressure area is above the rotor blade circle. This means the drone very likely got sucked down into the blade arc before being struck by the blade. As I said, just a thought

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Old 10-16-2017, 09:17 AM
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here we go again: Drone hits passenger jet in Canada, the first time it's happened | Fox News
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Old 10-16-2017, 10:59 AM
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Default Dumb, stupid drone moron!

I hope he gets jail time pays the full fine and has to pay damage on the plane, I seen bird strikes that has caused thousands of dollars worth of damage.
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Old 10-16-2017, 12:58 PM
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Yea, jail time and a 20 grand fine would set a nice example not to be stupid
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Old 10-17-2017, 03:50 AM
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DJI’s announced that they have created a new technology called AeroScope that is capable of tracking and identifying airborne drones. The system reportedly takes the data sent by the aircraft and allows authorities to gather details about the location of the drone.

"As drones have become an everyday tool for professional and personal use, authorities want to be sure they can identify who is flying near sensitive locations or in ways that raise serious concerns," Brendan Schulman, DJI's VP for Policy and Legal Affairs, said in a statement.

It’s reported that AeroScope isn’t very new and has been described as a mature system, which DJI has installed into two international airports since April this year.

DJI says that AeroScope can sense a drone the moment it powers on, being able to tap into the communications link between a drone and its remote.

“Since AeroScope transmits on a DJI drone’s existing communications link, it does not require new on-board equipment or modifications, or require extra steps or costs to be incurred by drone operators,” explains DJI. “This approach also avoids substantial costs and complexities. AeroScope receiver can immediately sense a drone as it powers on, then plot its location on a map while displaying a registration number.”

DJI says that AeroScope has the ability to sense “all current models of DJI drones” and will only be available to authorized personnel, mentioning “police, security agencies, aviation authorities, and other authorized parties ...”

There is some concern from drone operators about privacy, but DJI says that the only information that will be transmitted to AeroScope from the drone is its registration and serial number along with its location, altitude, speed, and direction, essentially making the number a license plate for your drone.

DJI explained that “authorized receivers of the transmission who believe the drone’s operator is violating a regulation or engaged in unlawful acts can record and investigate, similar to how a license plate might be recorded by someone who is cut off on a road.”

DJI says that drone identification settings will be included initial drone software, allowing their customers to choose the content of their own drone’s identification broadcast to match local expectations both before and after identification regulations are implemented in different jurisdictions. They also said that to protect privacy, the AeroScope system will not automatically transmit any personal identifiable information until regulations or policies in the pilot‘s jurisdiction require it.
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It's about time someone took a step like that. We knew a "dronestrike" was coming and, now that it has, maybe someone will take this system and expand on it
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Here is another example: Drones flying over California wildfires hurt firefighting efforts, officials say | Fox News
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DJI’s announced that they have created a new technology called AeroScope that is capable of tracking and identifying airborne drones. The system reportedly takes the data sent by the aircraft and allows authorities to gather details about the location of the drone.

"As drones have become an everyday tool for professional and personal use, authorities want to be sure they can identify who is flying near sensitive locations or in ways that raise serious concerns," Brendan Schulman, DJI's VP for Policy and Legal Affairs, said in a statement.

It’s reported that AeroScope isn’t very new and has been described as a mature system, which DJI has installed into two international airports since April this year.

DJI says that AeroScope can sense a drone the moment it powers on, being able to tap into the communications link between a drone and its remote.

“Since AeroScope transmits on a DJI drone’s existing communications link, it does not require new on-board equipment or modifications, or require extra steps or costs to be incurred by drone operators,” explains DJI. “This approach also avoids substantial costs and complexities. AeroScope receiver can immediately sense a drone as it powers on, then plot its location on a map while displaying a registration number.”

DJI says that AeroScope has the ability to sense “all current models of DJI drones” and will only be available to authorized personnel, mentioning “police, security agencies, aviation authorities, and other authorized parties ...”

There is some concern from drone operators about privacy, but DJI says that the only information that will be transmitted to AeroScope from the drone is its registration and serial number along with its location, altitude, speed, and direction, essentially making the number a license plate for your drone.

DJI explained that “authorized receivers of the transmission who believe the drone’s operator is violating a regulation or engaged in unlawful acts can record and investigate, similar to how a license plate might be recorded by someone who is cut off on a road.”

DJI says that drone identification settings will be included initial drone software, allowing their customers to choose the content of their own drone’s identification broadcast to match local expectations both before and after identification regulations are implemented in different jurisdictions. They also said that to protect privacy, the AeroScope system will not automatically transmit any personal identifiable information until regulations or policies in the pilot‘s jurisdiction require it.
sounds like all that is missing is the ability to initiate a mandatory "return to base" command from the monitoring agency in cases of imminent danger.
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Old 10-17-2017, 02:49 PM
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Jet? I thought it was a King Air? And where are the damage photos? May have been a bag!
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