Another Drone Pilot does it Again
03-26-2015, 10:42 AM
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If not following the CBO guidelines means performing some act that endangers the NAS, then yes, you will be fined. But, the FAA will apply applicable FAA regulations to determine the punishable act and to determine the fine. The absolutley will not use any CBO guidelines for this.
03-26-2015, 10:45 AM
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Instead of running every one down, why don't U attempt to come up with a solution to the Problems we all face (Not if but when) some uninformed R/C Quad flyer or what ever, Causes a disaster and has an incident or accident with a Maned aircraft. The problem is not what the FAA is doing with the NPRM. The FAA is going to do what the FAA wants to do. Period. We have to educate, first the uninformed R/C Flyers that jeopardize our Hobby/Sport. Then we have to get the LHS, whole salers, and Mail order company's to some how to get these people they sell these R/C TOY's to to understand where, When and How they may Legally fly their TOY's.
As for My Tin Foil bonnet, I think it would be better suited on your Head, but That would be difficult for U until U pull your head out of the Sand and become part of the solution instead of being part of the Problem. JMHO of course.
Instead of running every one down, why don't U attempt to come up with a solution to the Problems we all face (Not if but when) some uninformed R/C Quad flyer or what ever, Causes a disaster and has an incident or accident with a Maned aircraft. The problem is not what the FAA is doing with the NPRM. The FAA is going to do what the FAA wants to do. Period. We have to educate, first the uninformed R/C Flyers that jeopardize our Hobby/Sport. Then we have to get the LHS, whole salers, and Mail order company's to some how to get these people they sell these R/C TOY's to to understand where, When and How they may Legally fly their TOY's.
As for My Tin Foil bonnet, I think it would be better suited on your Head, but That would be difficult for U until U pull your head out of the Sand and become part of the solution instead of being part of the Problem. JMHO of course.
03-26-2015, 10:55 AM
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Ha! Ha! Good one. All HD does with his colors, fancy fonts, grammatical errors, spelling errors and facetious spelling is give me a headache.
03-26-2015, 11:33 AM
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If for no other reason than there is absolutely ZERO reason for them to enforce a non-existent altitude limit.
But in a more general sense the FAA is going to treat model aircraft that endanger the NAS the same way they treat manned aircraft. Which is to say that they will continue to enforce by exception. So cause an accident or reportable incident or have somebody turn you in, THEN they will take an interest.
But in a more general sense the FAA is going to treat model aircraft that endanger the NAS the same way they treat manned aircraft. Which is to say that they will continue to enforce by exception. So cause an accident or reportable incident or have somebody turn you in, THEN they will take an interest.
Non existant altitude limit? The link you gave in the last document said that model airplanes are endangering the NAS if they are violating 91.126-135. Which is really confusing because you are required to have radio communication with a tower, but in class G air space you do not have to get permission from the airport and can fly to 2,500 feet. So I think the FAA and the AMA need an understanding on what "endangering the NAS" means.
03-26-2015, 11:40 AM
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As though they just don't know chasin down a jetliner with a flippin toy plane is unsafe ? Come on buddy , you really can't believe that , can you ?
03-26-2015, 11:43 AM
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Its really up to the manufactures and dealers who sell these quad products, if they want to keep on selling them and stay in business, to educate the users of them as they are already in a position to put the information about safety out there.
03-26-2015, 11:51 AM
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03-26-2015, 12:05 PM
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03-26-2015, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by littlecrankshafH
Hound Dog,
I wish you would direct your energy to getting those same idiots off the road...LOL Most pass a test to get their permission slip (aka drivers license)...and one the most dangerous things we all do as modelers is drive to the flying field... Take a stance on something that really matters!!!
To HoundDog ;
Oh no my friend , you've got it ALL wrong ! 
No way in HELL am I gonna take any unpaid , unauthorized duty to crusade for safe operation of anything from toy airplanes to aircraft carriers !!!!! Now if the FAA wants to PAY me and give me official authorization to police model aircraft operations well then maybe I might , iffin' I were lookin for work in the law enforcement field .
I'll bet UR the Kind of guy that let's every one pull the load when it comes to participating in ur club activities. And then U do nothing but complain about How it was done.
But to take it on myself to "teach the unwashed masses right from wrong" ????
Sorry pal , but such "crusaders" usually suffer a sad wake up call at the end of someone's boot !
ople for kicks ?Do you honestly believe that education is the key to getting knuckleheads to quit endangering people. Really ? As though they just don't know chasin down a jetliner with a flippin toy plane is unsafe ? Come on buddy , you really can't believe that , can you ?InIt I guess U are completely right ... I'v seen some Pretty stupid dangerous stuff at the AMA/CBO Fields that Just Educating DUMMIES is not the way to go. May be Videoing them and sending it to the AMA/CBO - FAA might get some Results, Where did U 2 say U did UR flying?
03-26-2015, 03:29 PM
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Yes, they can endanger an airliner if injested into the engine of a Jet airliner or a small private jet engine.
Yes, they do present a danger to small propeller driver aircraft. Having one of these striking a perfectly balanced propeller, not counting, severing fuel lines , hydraulic hoses, electrical wirings, control surfaces, yes it could prove a real problem.
These small insects of a quadcopter resembling a drone, are one in the same. They fly by a ground Pilot, experienced or not, they do get flown by an idiot not abiding by the rules.Most of them are not AMA members, and no I can not states that as actual fact, nevertheless, they are the very people that will ruin this hobby, you can count on that!
Buying a new electric quad with a 5-15 year old at the local hobby shop it where the problem exists.
1. They know absoulty nothing about RC/ the AMA, or the written rules by the FAA in Print, and just go out and charge the battery, and let er rip.!!! They do not think about the hazards, Airliners, Small aircraft or Helicopters, that are in the air trying to perform a service, and " there is the danger". Like it or not, when these objects are in a flight path of a full scale aircraft, they do present a clear danger to the aircraft and people on board.
I don't do not think beating this thing to death will serve any purpose at all. I, and this is my opinion only,
Keep people educated on flying, know the rules, FAA and AMA Safety Code, and abide by them.
Keep advised on NOTAMS published daily by the FAA in Busy Airport Areas.
If we do not take any action on this, and the advisories sent to us, this hobby could someday become extinct.
No Flying Remote Controlled Aircraft, Period. Once at Fatal accident is proven, without a doubt, one of the quad copters created the problems, then it's over.
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03-26-2015, 03:49 PM
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Sport: These small newly invented and world wide marketed quad copters are fine as long as they adhere to FAA Regs. and AMA suggestions, also known as rules but not stated that way.
Yes, they can endanger an airliner if injested into the engine of a Jet airliner or a small private jet engine.
Yes, they do present a danger to small propeller driver aircraft. Having one of these striking a perfectly balanced propeller, not counting, severing fuel lines , hydraulic hoses, electrical wirings, control surfaces, yes it could prove a real problem.
These small insects of a quadcopter resembling a drone, are one in the same. They fly by a ground Pilot, experienced or not, they do get flown by an idiot not abiding by the rules.Most of them are not AMA members, and no I can not states that as actual fact, nevertheless, they are the very people that will ruin this hobby, you can count on that!
Buying a new electric quad with a 5-15 year old at the local hobby shop it where the problem exists.
1. They know absoulty nothing about RC/ the AMA, or the written rules by the FAA in Print, and just go out and charge the battery, and let er rip.!!! They do not think about the hazards, Airliners, Small aircraft or Helicopters, that are in the air trying to perform a service, and " there is the danger". Like it or not, when these objects are in a flight path of a full scale aircraft, they do present a clear danger to the aircraft and people on board.
I don't do not think beating this thing to death will serve any purpose at all. I, and this is my opinion only,
Keep people educated on flying, know the rules, FAA and AMA Safety Code, and abide by them.
Keep advised on NOTAMS published daily by the FAA in Busy Airport Areas.
If we do not take any action on this, and the advisories sent to us, this hobby could someday become extinct.
No Flying Remote Controlled Aircraft, Period. Once at Fatal accident is proven, without a doubt, one of the quad copters created the problems, then it's over.
Yes, they can endanger an airliner if injested into the engine of a Jet airliner or a small private jet engine.
Yes, they do present a danger to small propeller driver aircraft. Having one of these striking a perfectly balanced propeller, not counting, severing fuel lines , hydraulic hoses, electrical wirings, control surfaces, yes it could prove a real problem.
These small insects of a quadcopter resembling a drone, are one in the same. They fly by a ground Pilot, experienced or not, they do get flown by an idiot not abiding by the rules.Most of them are not AMA members, and no I can not states that as actual fact, nevertheless, they are the very people that will ruin this hobby, you can count on that!
Buying a new electric quad with a 5-15 year old at the local hobby shop it where the problem exists.
1. They know absoulty nothing about RC/ the AMA, or the written rules by the FAA in Print, and just go out and charge the battery, and let er rip.!!! They do not think about the hazards, Airliners, Small aircraft or Helicopters, that are in the air trying to perform a service, and " there is the danger". Like it or not, when these objects are in a flight path of a full scale aircraft, they do present a clear danger to the aircraft and people on board.
I don't do not think beating this thing to death will serve any purpose at all. I, and this is my opinion only,
Keep people educated on flying, know the rules, FAA and AMA Safety Code, and abide by them.
Keep advised on NOTAMS published daily by the FAA in Busy Airport Areas.
If we do not take any action on this, and the advisories sent to us, this hobby could someday become extinct.
No Flying Remote Controlled Aircraft, Period. Once at Fatal accident is proven, without a doubt, one of the quad copters created the problems, then it's over.
The horse is out of the barn, the cat is out of the bag ect., ect., on and on........................... Enjoy your RC flying as much as you can as there IS NO, AND NEVER WAS ANY GUARANTEE THAT THE WAY IT WAS WILL LAST.
03-26-2015, 04:12 PM
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Buy at a hobby shop???????? How about Walmart ................... http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/quadcopters
The horse is out of the barn, the cat is out of the bag ect., ect., on and on........................... Enjoy your RC flying as much as you can as there IS NO, AND NEVER WAS ANY GUARANTEE THAT THE WAY IT WAS WILL LAST.
The horse is out of the barn, the cat is out of the bag ect., ect., on and on........................... Enjoy your RC flying as much as you can as there IS NO, AND NEVER WAS ANY GUARANTEE THAT THE WAY IT WAS WILL LAST.
03-26-2015, 04:39 PM
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Brad: I know there is no guarantee on anything but" Death and Taxes", that is certain. On the R/C side. all I am trying to point out, is there is a problem with, Local Walmart, Target, any one else that sells these things to an inexperienced pilot in R/C, that has the vaguest idea of the AMA, FAA, and the circumstances they put themselves in without knowing the potential problems and outcome of making that purchase at Walmart or any other place, and the accept the outcome if a lawsuit is pursued, if the cause was caused by buying an object, known to fly in the NAS, and capable of endangering full scale aircraft? No, these people have no idea what;s in the background, and it's not going to be pretty if something happens. I am not trying to discourage anybody, just know what the possibilities are if something doe's happen, that's all.
03-26-2015, 05:50 PM
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Considering the Germanwings crash this week and the Malaysian Air mystery last year, I am more concerned with the mental health of the guys up front then a 15 year old flying a toy.
03-26-2015, 05:56 PM
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Sport: These small newly invented and world wide marketed quad copters are fine as long as they adhere to FAA Regs. and AMA suggestions, also known as rules but not stated that way.
Yes, they can endanger an airliner if injested into the engine of a Jet airliner or a small private jet engine.
Yes, they do present a danger to small propeller driver aircraft. Having one of these striking a perfectly balanced propeller, not counting, severing fuel lines , hydraulic hoses, electrical wirings, control surfaces, yes it could prove a real problem.
These small insects of a quadcopter resembling a drone, are one in the same. They fly by a ground Pilot, experienced or not, they do get flown by an idiot not abiding by the rules.Most of them are not AMA members, and no I can not states that as actual fact, nevertheless, they are the very people that will ruin this hobby, you can count on that!
Buying a new electric quad with a 5-15 year old at the local hobby shop it where the problem exists.
1. They know absoulty nothing about RC/ the AMA, or the written rules by the FAA in Print, and just go out and charge the battery, and let er rip.!!! They do not think about the hazards, Airliners, Small aircraft or Helicopters, that are in the air trying to perform a service, and " there is the danger". Like it or not, when these objects are in a flight path of a full scale aircraft, they do present a clear danger to the aircraft and people on board.
I don't do not think beating this thing to death will serve any purpose at all. I, and this is my opinion only,
Keep people educated on flying, know the rules, FAA and AMA Safety Code, and abide by them.
Keep advised on NOTAMS published daily by the FAA in Busy Airport Areas.
If we do not take any action on this, and the advisories sent to us, this hobby could someday become extinct.
No Flying Remote Controlled Aircraft, Period. Once at Fatal accident is proven, without a doubt, one of the quad copters created the problems, then it's over.
Yes, they can endanger an airliner if injested into the engine of a Jet airliner or a small private jet engine.
Yes, they do present a danger to small propeller driver aircraft. Having one of these striking a perfectly balanced propeller, not counting, severing fuel lines , hydraulic hoses, electrical wirings, control surfaces, yes it could prove a real problem.
These small insects of a quadcopter resembling a drone, are one in the same. They fly by a ground Pilot, experienced or not, they do get flown by an idiot not abiding by the rules.Most of them are not AMA members, and no I can not states that as actual fact, nevertheless, they are the very people that will ruin this hobby, you can count on that!
Buying a new electric quad with a 5-15 year old at the local hobby shop it where the problem exists.
1. They know absoulty nothing about RC/ the AMA, or the written rules by the FAA in Print, and just go out and charge the battery, and let er rip.!!! They do not think about the hazards, Airliners, Small aircraft or Helicopters, that are in the air trying to perform a service, and " there is the danger". Like it or not, when these objects are in a flight path of a full scale aircraft, they do present a clear danger to the aircraft and people on board.
I don't do not think beating this thing to death will serve any purpose at all. I, and this is my opinion only,
Keep people educated on flying, know the rules, FAA and AMA Safety Code, and abide by them.
Keep advised on NOTAMS published daily by the FAA in Busy Airport Areas.
If we do not take any action on this, and the advisories sent to us, this hobby could someday become extinct.
No Flying Remote Controlled Aircraft, Period. Once at Fatal accident is proven, without a doubt, one of the quad copters created the problems, then it's over.
1. They know absolutely nothing about RC/ the AMA, or the written rules by the FAA in Print
Finally some one here that get's it ... NOW WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT. Why not Require every one that wants to Purchase /Fly anything in the NAS, take a computer administrated Course of study(read the AMA/CBO Safty Code and add ons along with the FAA explanations on flying Toy Airplanes. After a 24 hour waiting Period supposedly for study. After Which one would be eligible to take the Computer Test. On a suspenseful complication and a review of questions Missed a computer generated License much like the AMA card would be issued with the perspective Pilot and a computer issued Number. This would have to be presented when buying Flyable R/C equipment or when any duly authorized law enforcement request that U have the Right to in the NAS.
Why couldn't the AMA/CBO add this to their Web Site and make this part of the sign up for all potential AMA members but not mandatory to Join the AMA.
The whole Reason for this to attempt to educate those that wish to fly R/C in the NAS, At a minimum they have read and proven they Understand (When, Where, and How) these TOY R/C devices can/should/Permitted to be flown.
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FLAPhappy: 1. They know absolutely nothing about RC/ the AMA, or the written rules by the FAA in Print Finally some one here that get's it ... NOW WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT IT. Why not Require every one that wants to Purchase /Fly anything in the NAS, take a computer administrated Course of study(read the AMA/CBO Safty Code and add ons along with the FAA explanations on flying Toy Airplanes. After a 24 hour waiting Period supposedly for study. After Which one would be eligible to take the Computer Test. On a suspenseful complication and a review of questions Missed a computer generated License much like the AMA card would be issued with the perspective Pilot and a computer issued Number. This would have to be presented when buying Flyable R/C equipment or when any duly authorized law enforcement request that U have the Right to in the NAS. Why couldn't the AMA/CBO add this to their Web Site and make this part of the sign up for all potential AMA members but not mandatory to Join the AMA. The whole Reason for this to attempt to educate those that wish to fly R/C in the NAS, At a minimum they have read and proven they Understand (When, Where, and How) these TOY R/C devices can/should/Permitted to be flown.
03-26-2015, 06:23 PM
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03-26-2015, 06:56 PM
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Braddy buddy ... Again U probably would not / could not pass either a test on R/C but to post on the internet ... U and & CJ & sporty & JonnyS Just keep UR head in the sand there Big Bird. If U R Not part of the Solution
UR the problem. NOT JMHObut the Dirty unadulterated truth.
03-26-2015, 07:39 PM
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people or property on the ground and or full scale aviation next. After that I think the FAA should not concern itself with model planes.
03-26-2015, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bradpaul 
Considering the Germanwings crash this week and the Malaysian Air mystery last year, I am more concerned with the mental health of the guys up front then a 15 year old flying a toy.
+1 I really think keeping full scale aviation as safe as possible should be the top priority at the FAA and dealing with those who have demonstrated their actions can be a threat to
people or property on the ground and or full scale aviation next. After that I think the FAA should not concern itself with model planes.
people or property on the ground and or full scale aviation next. After that I think the FAA should not concern itself with model planes.
IRA:
Again U R Completly Wrong. It doesn't Really mater one Iota what U believe the FAA should or should not concern it's self with. The FAA has a mandate from Congress
1.) to Promote commercial aviation and all aviation in general
2.) to make the NAS safe for all aviation. Guess what that according to the FAA, it does include Commercial and TOY R/C Drones/Aircraft of all kinds. And it is Impossible for the FAA/NTSB ever to combat the rouge Commercial ATP Pilot that wishes to kill him self and take aboradall with him. Terrorist exempted of course.
full scale aviation as safe as possible should be the top priority at the FAA.
It is the top priority of the FAA and the FAA sees Commercial and TOY Models/Quads as a possible threat to all Aviation. Unfortunately again Not If but When an indecent/Accident occurs, the powers that be will not see the difference between the "IDIOTs" and all the R/Cers that fly responsibly.
03-26-2015, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bradpaul Considering the Germanwings crash this week and the Malaysian Air mystery last year, I am more concerned with the mental health of the guys up front then a 15 year old flying a toy.
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IRA:
Again U R Completly Wrong. It doesn't Really mater one Iota what U believe the FAA should or should not concern it's self with. The FAA has a mandate from Congress
1.) to Promote commercial aviation and all aviation in general
2.) to make the NAS safe for all aviation. Guess what that according to the FAA, it does include Commercial and TOY R/C Drones/Aircraft of all kinds. And it is Impossible for the FAA/NTSB ever to combat the rouge Commercial ATP Pilot that wishes to kill him self and take aboradall with him. Terrorist exempted of course.
full scale aviation as safe as possible should be the top priority at the FAA.
It is the top priority of the FAA and the FAA sees Commercial and TOY Models/Quads as a possible threat to all Aviation. Unfortunately again Not If but When an indecent/Accident occurs, the powers that be will not see the difference between the "IDIOTs" and all the R/Cers that fly responsibly.
aviation and people on the ground they have no need to worry about if someone received pay to take a picture or fly at a air show. If someone is flying on their own property and
not bothering anyone the FAA has no need to bother them and RC flying should stay the same as before all this regulation stuff started.
03-27-2015, 05:35 AM
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Braddy buddy ... Again U probably would not / could not pass either a test on R/C but to post on the internet ... U and & CJ & sporty & JonnyS Just keep UR head in the sand there Big Bird. If U R Not part of the Solution
UR the problem. NOT JMHObut the Dirty unadulterated truth.
03-27-2015, 06:44 AM
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Please add me to that lustrous list. He also appears to have something against old people with his cutting remarks and his constant need to draw attention to his posts with the annoying use of multiple fonts and colors. He writes like an immature youngster yet his profile says he has 60 years experience which puts him in his 70s+. Makes me wonder which end of the spectrum he's really in, maybe both.
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