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Old 05-17-2015, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
In the city yes, but in urban areas you are allowed to fire your gun at model airplanes flying over your property and the model airplane pilot can be taken in for trespassing. Not that charges of trespassing are often brought.
Urban is city, you mean rural.
You don't own the airspace above your property... Ever. You cannot shoot at any plane or drone above your house without breaking the law. It is not trespassing... Even in Texas.
Old 05-18-2015, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Ratbird911
Urban is city, you mean rural.
You don't own the airspace above your property... Ever. You cannot shoot at any plane or drone above your house without breaking the law. It is not trespassing... Even in Texas.
Any bets on that? You fly over my private property you become a quail or pheasant. OOPS.
Old 05-18-2015, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Chad Veich
From a full size aircraft forum. This is why I think quadcopters are the greatest risk to our hobby/sport to have come along thus far.

http://warbirdinformationexchange.or...hp?f=3&t=55888
7000 ft altitude? Freakin' idiots.
Old 05-18-2015, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by rgburrill
7000 ft altitude? Freakin' idiots.
You might need to get a bigger shot gun...them quail be high!
Old 05-18-2015, 08:00 AM
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And once again, the person violating the rules/law gets applause from those that don't have a clue and egg them on for more of the same. It's too bad that You tube can't/doesn't remove videos showing people breaking laws. That, in and of itself, might slow the number of people doing stupid stuff since they won't get any credit or idolizing for doing so
Old 05-18-2015, 08:07 AM
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You don't own the airspace above your property... Ever.
Sure you do, it's called air rights.
Old 05-18-2015, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydro Junkie
And once again, the person violating the rules/law gets applause from those that don't have a clue and egg them on for more of the same. It's too bad that You tube can't/doesn't remove videos showing people breaking laws. That, in and of itself, might slow the number of people doing stupid stuff since they won't get any credit or idolizing for doing so
Yep...you have a point. YouTube is pretty good at removing videos with unauthorized music in the background. Youtube should consider buying the rights to the Brady Bunch background music and make that the standard...
Old 05-18-2015, 11:10 AM
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Damn, you trying to get the forum shut down? No one would post anything on You Tube if that was the case
Old 05-18-2015, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rgburrill
Any bets on that? You fly over my private property you become a quail or pheasant. OOPS.
Looks like Trumbull, CT is a suburbe of Bridgeport CT and I'll bet there all kind of local ordiences that would prohibit the discharge of fire armes with in 20 miles of U. So Go ahead and start shooting bet your neighbors dial 911 before u can reload.
Old 05-19-2015, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog
Looks like Trumbull, CT is a suburbe of Bridgeport CT and I'll bet there all kind of local ordiences that would prohibit the discharge of fire armes with in 20 miles of U. So Go ahead and start shooting bet your neighbors dial 911 before u can reload.
Not exactly, this is CT law.

Sec. 53-203. Unlawful discharge of firearms. Any person who intentionally, negligently or carelessly discharges any firearm in such a manner as to be likely to cause bodily injury or death to persons or domestic animals, or the wanton destruction of property, shall be guilty of a class C misdemeanor.


So if you are carful that there is nobody downrange I think it would be OK. A lot of gun laws have been relaxed since the SCOUTS decision on gun rights a few years ago, and unlawful discharge of firearms is one of those. In the past you could be charged with violating that law even if used for self defense in some areas. So many laws were rewritten to bring the laws within the SC guidance.
Old 05-19-2015, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog
Looks like Trumbull, CT is a suburbe of Bridgeport CT and I'll bet there all kind of local ordiences that would prohibit the discharge of fire armes with in 20 miles of U. So Go ahead and start shooting bet your neighbors dial 911 before u can reload.
In all reality, if you lived in Trumbull you'd probably hire "the help" to do the shooting for you, it's just easier that way. To many country club outings to go instead of getting the hands dirty with a gun!
Old 05-19-2015, 11:01 AM
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I wonder how many birds during the day fly above 1000 feet compared to multi-rotor aircraft?.......
Old 05-19-2015, 12:33 PM
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Lot's, I have seen birds a couple thousand feet or so, mostly duck and geese.
Old 05-19-2015, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TimJ
I wonder how many birds during the day fly above 1000 feet compared to multi-rotor aircraft?.......
Ducks and Geese can fly well over 1000ft. They do this in Migration periods.
We are not talking Ducks and Geese here, that's Nature, can't change that. We are facing the problem with unknowing individuals that buy a Drone, fly recklessly, endanger full scale Aircraft near Airports. Some of them don't know the rules of Flight Safety, and the others that do, without regard to the rules. That is the problem. Will this kind of behaviour among those people, give us Law abiding Members of the RC Industry more Restrictions? I believe it will if it continues. I hope not, but when the First Full Scale Aircraft is directly involved with it's flight path from a Remote Controlled Aircraft or Drone, crash or not, we shall see big problems in the future.
Old 05-19-2015, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TimJ
I wonder how many birds during the day fly above 1000 feet compared to multi-rotor aircraft?.......
Birds have a self-preservation instinct that many multi-rotor operators seem to lack!
Old 05-19-2015, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Not exactly, this is CT law.

Sec. 53-203. Unlawful discharge of firearms. Any person who intentionally, negligently or carelessly discharges any firearm in such a manner as to be likely to cause bodily injury or death to persons or domestic animals, or the wanton destruction of property, shall be guilty of a class C misdemeanor.



So if you are carful that there is nobody downrange I think it would be OK. A lot of gun laws have been relaxed since the SCOUTS decision on gun rights a few years ago, and unlawful discharge of firearms is one of those. In the past you could be charged with violating that law even if used for self defense in some areas. So many laws were rewritten to bring the laws within the SC guidance.
I can tell you that in many areas of the country including the pro gun states that firing a gun without a valid cause can wind you up in jail in fact you can't even fire a warning shot.
Unless you are at a legal gun range the only reason accepted for firing a gun is self defense and firing at mode airplanes wont qualify as self defense. Also legally hunting
in a area that is legal to hunt in would be about the only other reason you can fire a gun.
Old 05-19-2015, 02:51 PM
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Wonder if I can get a couple million federal dollars to try and educate the ducks and geese on flight safety?
Old 05-19-2015, 06:05 PM
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Here's a thought. Homing pigeons or falcons with cameras, trained to fly where you want.
Old 05-19-2015, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Flight Risk
Here's a thought. Homing pigeons or falcons with cameras, trained to fly where you want.
Hmmm...look what another idiot doe's... LOL
Old 05-19-2015, 09:01 PM
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I can tell you that in many areas of the country including the pro gun states that firing a gun without a valid cause can wind you up in jail in fact you can't even fire a warning shot.


Many areas yes. Not most. But not true of a warning shot. That comes under self defense. In Moreno Valley I see it is possible to legally fire a firearm if not within one half mile from a house, road, or other public property. California state law further says you cannot fire from or at a vehicle. State law which may overrule local law allows the possible use of a warning shot or even shooting of a trespasser if the use of force is deemed appropriate, so you might be able to shoot down a drone where you live. If you have a good lawyer that is.
Old 05-19-2015, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Chad Veich
Birds have a self-preservation instinct that many multi-rotor operators seem to lack!
That is true and also most turbine engines can survive a single bird ingestion and keep operating - at least temporarily.

A drone with hard metal components (motors / frame etc) is a different story.

Same goes with bird strike resistance on cockpit windows - soft flesh, feathers and cartilage might bounce off at 250Kts but 4 x 120 gram metal motors probably won't.

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A drone with hard metal components (motors / frame etc) is a different story.
Hard metal would make little difference. It may cause more nicks in the blades but a 5 pound drone would be little different than a 5 pound bird. In fact most bird strikes never make it to the compressor stage. That big fan in front slings most bird parts away from the intake. Large hale is almost as hard as small metal parts and the airliner engines can fly though most hale. Keep in mind this is not true of business jets and military planes.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Hard metal would make little difference.
Would you rather be hit by a metal bullet or a pellet of minced meat of equivalent weight travelling at the same speed?

Soft flesh causes less damage because the energy is dissipated by deformation very differently on impact than a hard piece of metal.

Try putting a 100 gram piece of chicken (with bones) in your home blender, then try it with a 100 gram RC motor - I am sure you agree the results will be very different.

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Old 05-20-2015, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob2160
Would you rather be hit by a metal bullet or a pellet of minced meat of equivalent weight travelling at the same speed?

Soft flesh causes less damage because the energy is dissipated by deformation very differently on impact than a hard piece of metal.

Try putting a 100 gram piece of chicken (with bones) in your home blender, then try it with a 100 gram RC motor - I am sure you agree the results will be very different.
We are not talking about low mass bullets flying at supersonic speed, the soft bullet would be deformed by blasting through the sound barrier and would no longer be small enough to penetrate. We are talking about medium mass object flying at subsonic speeds and constrained enough that it will not easily deform. For example on mythbusters they found no difference in shooting a frozen or thawed chicken through a windshield of an airplane. The damage is done by the impact not a hard object, the blender is not an equal comparison. That is a much lower kinectic energy situation with hardend blades, still the likely result is that the blades get bent from the engine, and dulled from the bones. The aircraft engine uses softer but much stronger blades and the damage is not caused by contact with hard objects but a sudden impact. Yes the motor will nick and cut the blades more than the chicken, but that is minor damage the engine will run through. It is total breakage and missing blades that will do the jet engine in, not cuts and nicks.
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Originally Posted by Rob2160
Would you rather be hit by a metal bullet or a pellet of minced meat of equivalent weight travelling at the same speed?

Soft flesh causes less damage because the energy is dissipated by deformation very differently on impact than a hard piece of metal.

Try putting a 100 gram piece of chicken (with bones) in your home blender, then try it with a 100 gram RC motor - I am sure you agree the results will be very different.
I'd rather put ice, fresh lime juice, Cointreau, and some good tequila in the blended. But that's just me.

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