Another Drone Pilot does it Again
08-04-2015, 02:27 PM
#2327
Besides all aircraft with an electrical system (Lights ect.) from the factory will need added equipment called
ADS-B (Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast) + a special Transponder. It certainly would fix the problem. They would be unable to get off the ground because of the added weight.
ADS-B (Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast) + a special Transponder. It certainly would fix the problem. They would be unable to get off the ground because of the added weight.
Gerry
08-04-2015, 03:38 PM
#2328
Besides all aircraft with an electrical system (Lights ect.) from the factory will need added equipment called
ADS-B (Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast) + a special Transponder. It certainly would fix the problem. They would be unable to get off the ground because of the added weight.
ADS-B (Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast) + a special Transponder. It certainly would fix the problem. They would be unable to get off the ground because of the added weight.
08-04-2015, 03:55 PM
#2329
Actually you did, but in a roundabout way. If read quickly, or taken out of context (as can happen here 
) I could see where what you said would mean closing an RC flying site.
"..I think the FAA needs to come out with some new rules one being no RC aircraft can operate within 10 miles of any airport at a altitude over 100 feet unless it is being operated from a designated RC flying site.."
First what is designated? You might mean AMA chartered field, or a "club" in the truest sense of the word. But, keep in mind there are private clubs not AMA affiliated, and some that might not even be "clubs", just a group of people who get together and fly responsibly. I can actually think of one a few towns over from me that is just a group of guys who fly in a field on a regular basis who are not a "club", and they would be shut down given this suggestion. The 100 foot cap seems harsh though.
So it's not what you said, but the effect of what you said may cause some "clubs" to end. Meanwhile, there are some clubs that are actually at airports that would continue to operate as they are "designated" clubs per your suggestion. I visited one such club last year in NH, was amazed at how well they get along with the airport and work together to promote aviation.
) I could see where what you said would mean closing an RC flying site. "..I think the FAA needs to come out with some new rules one being no RC aircraft can operate within 10 miles of any airport at a altitude over 100 feet unless it is being operated from a designated RC flying site.."
First what is designated? You might mean AMA chartered field, or a "club" in the truest sense of the word. But, keep in mind there are private clubs not AMA affiliated, and some that might not even be "clubs", just a group of people who get together and fly responsibly. I can actually think of one a few towns over from me that is just a group of guys who fly in a field on a regular basis who are not a "club", and they would be shut down given this suggestion. The 100 foot cap seems harsh though.
So it's not what you said, but the effect of what you said may cause some "clubs" to end. Meanwhile, there are some clubs that are actually at airports that would continue to operate as they are "designated" clubs per your suggestion. I visited one such club last year in NH, was amazed at how well they get along with the airport and work together to promote aviation.
find that a particular RC site is unsuitable for some reason and close it that is something totally different than what I'm talking about.
08-05-2015, 07:41 AM
#2334
It's not if anyone thinks they are a dron pilot or not ... It is most definitely What the authorities say to what or who are DRONE Pilots. Also what they decide to do to all of us because of a few people that either don't know the rules or just don't care. We are all trying to figure a way to separate the chaff from the wheat her . I.e. The good sensible R/C flyer from the others mentioned above. No one here considers them selves as Drone Pilots, I would hope.
08-05-2015, 09:32 AM
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I think some of this has been touched on before but if not here is one possible idea. Since the problem seems to be people buying UAS easily online, local shop etc... and then not receiving any "instruction" in safe operations due to ease of just flying anywhere (don't need help from others to learn to fly it), what about some type of required education training before purchase?
For example, if you want to buy a UAS that is over say 1/2 pound or so (since these problem fliers are using UAS heavier than that), you have to watch (could be online which is available 24/7 via internet) a required course on safe operation. Then when completed you get a certificate which you could show to local shop or list cert number online at store that would allow you to buy a UAS over 1/2 pound. These certs could then be sent to FAA UAS office for tracking (since they already have this department). Could even list serial number of UAS etc...
I think the "know before you fly" is a good idea, but people don't have to look at it, or they may just throw away the paper they are given.
Now would this stop the problem completely, no, but if someone had to complete a small educational requirement (free online), and knew their purchase was going to be "registered" maybe they would take a "pause" before flying irresponsibly. At least it could give them information about flying near airports, interfering with emergency operations etc... and reiterate that there are laws on the books about that now, and if laws are broken, prosecution will happen.
Kids and others could still easily buy the very small UAS without having to go thru this educational step since those smaller UAS don't seem to be involved in these types of unsafe incidents.
Do I like more restrictions etc... "no", but just proposing another way to help protect all of model aviation moving forward, so just an idea.
For example, if you want to buy a UAS that is over say 1/2 pound or so (since these problem fliers are using UAS heavier than that), you have to watch (could be online which is available 24/7 via internet) a required course on safe operation. Then when completed you get a certificate which you could show to local shop or list cert number online at store that would allow you to buy a UAS over 1/2 pound. These certs could then be sent to FAA UAS office for tracking (since they already have this department). Could even list serial number of UAS etc...
I think the "know before you fly" is a good idea, but people don't have to look at it, or they may just throw away the paper they are given.
Now would this stop the problem completely, no, but if someone had to complete a small educational requirement (free online), and knew their purchase was going to be "registered" maybe they would take a "pause" before flying irresponsibly. At least it could give them information about flying near airports, interfering with emergency operations etc... and reiterate that there are laws on the books about that now, and if laws are broken, prosecution will happen.
Kids and others could still easily buy the very small UAS without having to go thru this educational step since those smaller UAS don't seem to be involved in these types of unsafe incidents.
Do I like more restrictions etc... "no", but just proposing another way to help protect all of model aviation moving forward, so just an idea.
08-05-2015, 10:13 AM
#2336
I think some of this has been touched on before but if not here is one possible idea. Since the problem seems to be people buying UAS easily online, local shop etc... and then not receiving any "instruction" in safe operations due to ease of just flying anywhere (don't need help from others to learn to fly it), what about some type of required education training before purchase?
For example, if you want to buy a UAS that is over say 1/2 pound or so (since these problem fliers are using UAS heavier than that), you have to watch (could be online which is available 24/7 via internet) a required course on safe operation. Then when completed you get a certificate which you could show to local shop or list cert number online at store that would allow you to buy a UAS over 1/2 pound. These certs could then be sent to FAA UAS office for tracking (since they already have this department). Could even list serial number of UAS etc...
I think the "know before you fly" is a good idea, but people don't have to look at it, or they may just throw away the paper they are given.
Now would this stop the problem completely, no, but if someone had to complete a small educational requirement (free online), and knew their purchase was going to be "registered" maybe they would take a "pause" before flying irresponsibly. At least it could give them information about flying near airports, interfering with emergency operations etc... and reiterate that there are laws on the books about that now, and if laws are broken, prosecution will happen.
Kids and others could still easily buy the very small UAS without having to go thru this educational step since those smaller UAS don't seem to be involved in these types of unsafe incidents.
Do I like more restrictions etc... "no", but just proposing another way to help protect all of model aviation moving forward, so just an idea.
For example, if you want to buy a UAS that is over say 1/2 pound or so (since these problem fliers are using UAS heavier than that), you have to watch (could be online which is available 24/7 via internet) a required course on safe operation. Then when completed you get a certificate which you could show to local shop or list cert number online at store that would allow you to buy a UAS over 1/2 pound. These certs could then be sent to FAA UAS office for tracking (since they already have this department). Could even list serial number of UAS etc...
I think the "know before you fly" is a good idea, but people don't have to look at it, or they may just throw away the paper they are given.
Now would this stop the problem completely, no, but if someone had to complete a small educational requirement (free online), and knew their purchase was going to be "registered" maybe they would take a "pause" before flying irresponsibly. At least it could give them information about flying near airports, interfering with emergency operations etc... and reiterate that there are laws on the books about that now, and if laws are broken, prosecution will happen.
Kids and others could still easily buy the very small UAS without having to go thru this educational step since those smaller UAS don't seem to be involved in these types of unsafe incidents.
Do I like more restrictions etc... "no", but just proposing another way to help protect all of model aviation moving forward, so just an idea.
08-05-2015, 10:19 AM
#2337
BTW, I read today that the FAA has now granted over 1000 exemptions for commerical use of UAVs. So there are at least 1000 trained pilots using UAVs safely and legally. Videographers, film producers, famers, and so many more who worked to get that exemption. One would think they would be very antagonistic twoards those who flaunt the regulations. Perhaps the FAA should allow a special use exemption for vigilantees? Drone cops. It takes a drone to catch a donre.
08-05-2015, 10:28 AM
#2338
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BTW, I read today that the FAA has now granted over 1000 exemptions for commerical use of UAVs. So there are at least 1000 trained pilots using UAVs safely and legally. Videographers, film producers, famers, and so many more who worked to get that exemption. One would think they would be very antagonistic twoards those who flaunt the regulations. Perhaps the FAA should allow a special use exemption for vigilantees? Drone cops. It takes a drone to catch a donre.
08-05-2015, 08:36 PM
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I think some of this has been touched on before but if not here is one possible idea. Since the problem seems to be people buying UAS easily online, local shop etc... and then not receiving any "instruction" in safe operations due to ease of just flying anywhere (don't need help from others to learn to fly it), what about some type of required education training before purchase?
For example, if you want to buy a UAS that is over say 1/2 pound or so (since these problem fliers are using UAS heavier than that), you have to watch (could be online which is available 24/7 via internet) a required course on safe operation. Then when completed you get a certificate which you could show to local shop or list cert number online at store that would allow you to buy a UAS over 1/2 pound. These certs could then be sent to FAA UAS office for tracking (since they already have this department). Could even list serial number of UAS etc...
I think the "know before you fly" is a good idea, but people don't have to look at it, or they may just throw away the paper they are given.
Now would this stop the problem completely, no, but if someone had to complete a small educational requirement (free online), and knew their purchase was going to be "registered" maybe they would take a "pause" before flying irresponsibly. At least it could give them information about flying near airports, interfering with emergency operations etc... and reiterate that there are laws on the books about that now, and if laws are broken, prosecution will happen.
Kids and others could still easily buy the very small UAS without having to go thru this educational step since those smaller UAS don't seem to be involved in these types of unsafe incidents.
Do I like more restrictions etc... "no", but just proposing another way to help protect all of model aviation moving forward, so just an idea.
For example, if you want to buy a UAS that is over say 1/2 pound or so (since these problem fliers are using UAS heavier than that), you have to watch (could be online which is available 24/7 via internet) a required course on safe operation. Then when completed you get a certificate which you could show to local shop or list cert number online at store that would allow you to buy a UAS over 1/2 pound. These certs could then be sent to FAA UAS office for tracking (since they already have this department). Could even list serial number of UAS etc...
I think the "know before you fly" is a good idea, but people don't have to look at it, or they may just throw away the paper they are given.
Now would this stop the problem completely, no, but if someone had to complete a small educational requirement (free online), and knew their purchase was going to be "registered" maybe they would take a "pause" before flying irresponsibly. At least it could give them information about flying near airports, interfering with emergency operations etc... and reiterate that there are laws on the books about that now, and if laws are broken, prosecution will happen.
Kids and others could still easily buy the very small UAS without having to go thru this educational step since those smaller UAS don't seem to be involved in these types of unsafe incidents.
Do I like more restrictions etc... "no", but just proposing another way to help protect all of model aviation moving forward, so just an idea.
The import of Cuban merchandise has been illegal for well over 50 years, but Americans somehow mange to smoke Cuban cigars on US soil every day. How is this possible? Refer to the previous sentence.
08-06-2015, 07:05 AM
#2347
This will not prevent people from ordering drones from oversees (e.g. China) and doing whatever they want once the quad arrives on their doorstep.
The import of Cuban merchandise has been illegal for well over 50 years, but Americans somehow mange to smoke Cuban cigars on US soil every day. How is this possible? Refer to the previous sentence.
The import of Cuban merchandise has been illegal for well over 50 years, but Americans somehow mange to smoke Cuban cigars on US soil every day. How is this possible? Refer to the previous sentence.
So why would anything stop some one from flying a Quad anyplace the felt like, even if they new they are subject to confiscation,fines and possible prison. Just ain't possible to stop these people. It's a lost cause.
08-06-2015, 07:47 AM
#2348
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Just say no to drones.....
and forest fires!
Along the lines of the AMA continuing to "do nothing" and "not take a position"......;
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/med...ones-dont-mix/
(let the criticism begin.... )
Along the lines of the AMA continuing to "do nothing" and "not take a position"......;
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/med...ones-dont-mix/
(let the criticism begin....
)
08-06-2015, 08:44 AM
#2349
If a person has no regard for any Rules Regs or LAWS. If a person is going to disregard traffic rules and speed, roling stops, running red lights. Nothing will stop them. Not even suspending or revocation of their drivers license.
So why would anything stop some one from flying a Quad anyplace the felt like, even if they new they are subject to confiscation,fines and possible prison. Just ain't possible to stop these people. It's a lost cause.
So why would anything stop some one from flying a Quad anyplace the felt like, even if they new they are subject to confiscation,fines and possible prison. Just ain't possible to stop these people. It's a lost cause.
released with little or no time. The system says the jails and prisons are too full yet they will put someone in jail because they did not lock up their gun in their own home.
08-06-2015, 09:04 AM
#2350
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I bet if they are in prison they won't be flying any RC. As for drunk drivers the system does not seem to want to deal with them properly for example many of the drunk drivers have been caught many times before they actually killed anyone but kept being
released with little or no time. The system says the jails and prisons are too full yet they will put someone in jail because they did not lock up their gun in their own home.
released with little or no time. The system says the jails and prisons are too full yet they will put someone in jail because they did not lock up their gun in their own home.
Oh wait..those are all available, even things like power tools to help prisoners cut through pipes and escape. Being in prison won't exclude stuff like that from happening, just makes it harder. I am waiting for the day though where a prisoner gets his hands on a drone and flies it out of the prison for some reason. "it's just a matter of time"
As for drunk driving, I'm sure there are some who have escaped prison sentences after one or more arrests, each case should be looked at on it's own merits. Mandatory sentences don't always work out well. CT is pretty tough on drunk driving....constant checkpoint stops in this state. Not sure who got locked up for having a unlocked gun in their home...obviously something more to that story than we know.
