time to stop the dromes..........NOW
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Gonna differ with you on that, lcs. FAA's enforcement action and the widespread attention it is getting has a needed (IMHO) deterrent value. More worth to us in securing a future for our freedom to fly model airplanes than time and money spent (by FAA and AMA) trying to herd cats by making more regulations that cannot be enforced. AMA says, in a plea for donations, they have spent over a $$$million on this. $10K to give Pirker a good public spanking is far more cost effective.
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Just for fun......... drone (not drome) fly away videos
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Gonna differ with you on that, lcs. FAA's enforcement action and the widespread attention it is getting has a needed (IMHO) deterrent value. More worth to us in securing a future for our freedom to fly model airplanes than time and money spent (by FAA and AMA) trying to herd cats by making more regulations that cannot be enforced. AMA says, in a plea for donations, they have spent over a $$$million on this. $10K to give Pirker a good public spanking is far more cost effective.
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Pro bono or not, somebody is paying the bill for his defense and it is us tax payers that are paying for the prosecution. He was operating a commercial enterprise in the USA and in the process operated an unauthorized "drone" in a careless and reckless manner. Who pays the fine after all his appeals have failed? Did his "foreign company have the proper permits to operate in this country? Did his company pay taxes on its earned income? Did he? Has the IRS looked into this yet?
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Are you seriously wondering if yet another govt agency should get involved with this? The IRS.... really? Thanks, I'll pass on that. If there are complaints about how much money was sent prosecuting the flight, I can only imagine the complaints once the IRS got involved. Does anyone really think that would be worthwhile or cost effective? His actions got the ball rolling (for better or worse), but it was something that needed to be brought up anyway.
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FREE..................... as if the law firm is not going to claim as a expense for taxes the cost of the "pro bono" services. So actually we all are paying for part of Trappys defense.
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Hello all,
Maybe we're all looking at the solution to problem from the wrong prospective. Instead of FAA regulation, how about we get the FCC involved to regulate the output power of FPV transmitters which would in turn limit their range. This would apply to all FPV devices sold to the general public, much like the power output limitations on our 72MHZ RC transmitters has been regulated for years. Commercial FPV users could buy more powerful equipment only by obtaining the appropriate licensing similar to that required for HAM operators. Seems like a simpler solution which would make many of the problems associated with current FPV operations go away.
Maybe we're all looking at the solution to problem from the wrong prospective. Instead of FAA regulation, how about we get the FCC involved to regulate the output power of FPV transmitters which would in turn limit their range. This would apply to all FPV devices sold to the general public, much like the power output limitations on our 72MHZ RC transmitters has been regulated for years. Commercial FPV users could buy more powerful equipment only by obtaining the appropriate licensing similar to that required for HAM operators. Seems like a simpler solution which would make many of the problems associated with current FPV operations go away.
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Maybe we're all looking at the solution to problem from the wrong prospective. Instead of FAA regulation, how about we get the FCC involved to regulate the output power of FPV transmitters which would in turn limit their range. This would apply to all FPV devices sold to the general public, much like the power output limitations on our 72MHZ RC transmitters has been regulated for years. Commercial FPV users could buy more powerful equipment only by obtaining the appropriate licensing similar to that required for HAM operators. Seems like a simpler solution which would make many of the problems associated with current FPV operations go away.
Maybe we're all looking at the solution to problem from the wrong prospective. Instead of FAA regulation, how about we get the FCC involved to regulate the output power of FPV transmitters which would in turn limit their range. This would apply to all FPV devices sold to the general public, much like the power output limitations on our 72MHZ RC transmitters has been regulated for years. Commercial FPV users could buy more powerful equipment only by obtaining the appropriate licensing similar to that required for HAM operators. Seems like a simpler solution which would make many of the problems associated with current FPV operations go away.
they can travel from the take off location via GPS.
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That is Precisely what I meant., although it never occurred to me that there was a need to make the distinction, I though it would be obvious. If the video transmission power is limited, FPV operators could still enjoy their hobby, but be limited to line of sight distances just like the rest of us are. Like many GPS enabled FPV vehicles on the market today they could be programmed to return to the origination point upon LOS (loss of signal), so as not to endanger people or property when signal is lost. Licensing higher powered FPV transmitters would also help insure that they are used in a responsible manner, with licenses being traceable back to the owner. (License keys could be imbedded in the video transmission.)
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Yes I know how easily it is to get a HAM license these days, but the real point is to create a legal paper trail for the ownership and use of the higher powered FPV equipment. It would then be up to the law makers to make rules of enforcement so that If the original owner were to sell the equipment without transferring the license, he could still face penalties. It's not perfect but it would help keep some of the abuse from happening, by outlining the consequences of failure to comply, and any end run such as a "straw" purchase would be illegal and prosecutable under current law. The whole idea here is to limit the availability, of the higher powered FPV equipment, to those responsible for "commercial" use, and to create a distinction between "commercial" use and Hobby use of FPV equipment. I cannot imagine any legitimate hobby use of FPV equipment that has to have a greater range than that of line of sight. Or, to put it another way, any FPV equipment that does have a range greater than line of sight, is not for hobby use and should be regulated. I think that this simple distinction would make a lot of the current problems with FPV use go away. ( remember this requires lower powered video transmitters to qualify for hobby use.)
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I would not want to make it any harder to obtain a FPV license that a HAM license, but I do think that if a user of higher powered video FPV transmitters were required to register (license) their equipment, it might give them pause before using it in an irresponsible manner that might endanger lives and property. This is the heart of the matter that we are discussing.
see post #363
see post #363
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Other countries such as New Zealand for one have no problem with FPV out to 4 or 5 Kilometers.
They just keep all FPV flying below 400 feet. But all RC flyers must belong to their equivalent of our AMA
Also If U fly with in 5KILOMETERS of any airport U must have a special License. The whole problem ere in the
US is the Technology has gotten ahead of any regulation and the government has no Idea what to do.
They just keep all FPV flying below 400 feet. But all RC flyers must belong to their equivalent of our AMA
Also If U fly with in 5KILOMETERS of any airport U must have a special License. The whole problem ere in the
US is the Technology has gotten ahead of any regulation and the government has no Idea what to do.
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Nobody is actually "paying" for his defense, the firm representing him is doing it, in essence, for free. That is their prerogative.]
Are you seriously wondering if yet another govt agency should get involved with this? The IRS.... really? Thanks, I'll pass on that. If there are complaints about how much money was sent prosecuting the flight, I can only imagine the complaints once the IRS got involved. Does anyone really think that would be worthwhile or cost effective? His actions got the ball rolling (for better or worse), but it was something that needed to be brought up anyway.
Are you seriously wondering if yet another govt agency should get involved with this? The IRS.... really? Thanks, I'll pass on that. If there are complaints about how much money was sent prosecuting the flight, I can only imagine the complaints once the IRS got involved. Does anyone really think that would be worthwhile or cost effective? His actions got the ball rolling (for better or worse), but it was something that needed to be brought up anyway.