Sport_Pilot

Yes, but he may have not violated the FRZ on a pollible technicality. The FRZ rules say it includes restriction to model airplanes. It says nothing about drones. I think it was written in 2009.

Sport_Pilot

The club is not in the FRZ. I see no restrictions in the outer band of the AZID.

flyinwalenda

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I question everything anymore especially when it involves the government and is put out by the MSM.
Why hasn't this man's name been released, why hasn't he been charged yet? Seems suspect to me. People who have tried to enter the gate/fence around the capitol have been identified, charged and arrested before they knew what happened to them. Pilots who have invaded the airspace have been identified and charged(or not) soon after they were escorted out and landed. yet this guy is still a mystery-man and goes uncharged.
I say , did it really happen the way it was portrayed? Maybe.....maybe not The FAA and congress are trying hard to regulate the "drones" and our hobby. Setting/staging this event could cement their decision by Scaring the public into thinking all radio control machines are a threat to national security. Then the restrictions come out all under the guise of "protecting us". "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety".

Sport_Pilot

Having worked for the government the only people I have seen fired were drunk on the job several times. The first two involved counciling and rehab. But this guy was drunk at home.

Sport_Pilot

Yeah! And give out his address so that we can go to his house and hang him from the nearest tree! If he is not black that is.

Really you are being a bit dramatic for someone flying a toy into the WH lawn.

vertical grimmace

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Or using proper control terminations as spelled out in the general RC section of the AMA rule book. So many times I see EZ connectors on elevators and ailerons, because that is what was provided with the ARF.
These types of issues may crash the plane, but an idiot flying FPV from our field, miles away, over populated areas, will get us in real trouble. The threat of a control surface or radio failure is not as likely to cause a serious issue. Mainly the plane and the ground.

phlpsfrnk

You did read the NOTAM did you not or are we now arguing that a drone is not a UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS (UAS)?

Frank

BobH

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The most scary part of this thread is the knowledge that the posters get to vote! And we wonder why things in the Country are like they are.

flyinwalenda

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I can't agree with you that posting his address and other contact info is a good idea. Although that info can be obtained on almost anyone with some searching.
No drama. Just being realistic and offering a different point of view.

phlpsfrnk

So BobH, are you one of those that do not vote? If so you deserve what you get.

Frank

BobH

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Oh I vote in every election. Local,,state and National. And before I vote I try and become informed about what and whom I'm voting for.
I hope you do the same

Sport_Pilot

NOTAM's have another technicality in that they are meant for licensed pilots. The FRZ jurisdiction is controversial as well as it was not authorized in Congress and not a type of airspace listed in laws and airspace. All I am saying is there are several reasons one could use for not punishing this guy. The laws and regulations are not clear as the Pirker case showed.

Sport_Pilot

Ok, one has to wonder when someone doesn't understand sarcastic humor. Robo replies?

bogbeagle

Nope. Never.

When you accede to voting, you embrace the notion that every "oik" has an equal say in the disposition of your property.

Right there and then, you have given up your "property rights".

Voting is the problem, not the solution.

phlpsfrnk

Good, I do the same but I can't speak for the rest of the voters you denigrated here.

Frank

phlpsfrnk

OK we are back to your old airspace argument that only you seem to believe in. If NOTAMS are only for "licensed pilots" why does the AMA bother posting them? What's not clear about the Pirker case? The FAA fined him, they went to court and after dismissal motions were thrown out he paid a fine.

Frank

joebahl

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Someone stepped up and did the right thing ,no not the AMA !lmao So now the boys who bought there toys there will have to move along . You FPV flyers have only seen the tip of the hurt coming your way ,this one incident was on about every news show i seen yesterday and it was not good attention . Kinda like the attention it brings us reg rc plane flyers, how does it feel ? joe http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/28/d...=rss_truncated Super bowl advertisements LEAVE YOUR DRONE AT HOME lol I if was a FPV guy like some diehards here i would protest that darn super bowl game and send me your tickets . lmao

TimJ

Wishful thinking by Joe........

DJI already had software in it's multi-rotors for that. It was just not very complete. So now in a reactionary fashion, DJI is just sending out an update to its customers.......Not a big deal there........

The bigotry and prejudice toward multi-rotors is ridiculous.

TimJ

White House incident demonstrates that a regulatory approach does not and will not work.



Following this week's incident at the White House, President Obama and others called for the FAA to put regulations in place for small unmanned aircraft, or "drones."

If the president is talking about establishing rules to enable commercial use of the technology, we agree these rules are long overdue. But if he or others are suggesting that the recreational community needs to be federally regulated, that's another story.
OUR VIEW: Drone age takes flight, and FAA's not ready
The fact is for the past six years, existing regulation has specifically prohibited the flying of unmanned aircraft anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. This recent incident clearly demonstrates that a regulatory approach to the recreational use of small unmanned aircraft does not and will not work.
Many well-meaning individuals acquiring this new technology simply don't know what airspace is restricted or prohibited, whether it's near the White House, around other federal buildings or even the upcoming Super Bowl. The best way to prevent drone incidents isn't to regulate recreational users; it's to educate them.
That's what the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA) has been doing successfully for nearly 80 years. Representing more than 175,000 model aircraft enthusiasts across the country, we constantly provide and update best practices on how to safely operate unmanned aircraft.
More and more people are accessing this fun, educational technology. These newcomers want to fly safely but don't realize that just because you can easily acquire the technology, it doesn't mean you can fly it anywhere and for any purpose.
For this reason, we've been working with industry groups and the FAA to educate new fliers about the safe and responsible use of unmanned aircraft.
It's our goal to make common-sense guidelines more accessible to the legions of new fliers taking to the skies, ensuring safety for all aircraft — manned and unmanned.
Campaigns such as "Know Before You Fly" and AMA's long-standing community-based safety programs are the best, and perhaps the only, ways to effectively manage the recreational community.
Dave Mathewson is the executive director of the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA).

Source: USA Today

flyinwalenda

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I didn't know they made blinders with peep holes.

Sport_Pilot

Why are they called "Notice to Airmen". And why does the regulation that supports them say that it applies to "every person aboard the aircraft"?

When one judge says one thing and another says another, then settled out of court (for very little), nothing is clear. And at present it would appear the FAA can rule over every paper airplane, football, toy balloon, etc going through the air. Perhaps even a flag flying in front of your house.

To me that is not very clear.

BTW those arguments I made that you say I only believe were mostly from Pirkers lawers arguement. And not the only one making those arguements. So far they have not gotten out of NTSB court. Once one leaves that venue there may be a different attitude from the Judges.

Sport_Pilot

I am not sure I get one. Not sure if our humor doesn't match up, or this was not humor?

BobH

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Your solution in practical terms would be? Anarchy?

bogbeagle

Absolutely, for those who want it.

If you need to be governed, then that's fine. Vote away. Don't include me in your plans, though.

phlpsfrnk

They also say they apply to:
A. THE FOLLOWING OPERATIONS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED WITHIN THE DC FRZ: FLIGHT TRAINING, AEROBATIC FLIGHT,PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES, GLIDER OPERATIONS, PARACHUTE OPERATIONS, ULTRA LIGHT, HANG GLIDING, BALLOON OPERATIONS, TETHERED BALLOONS, AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, ANIMAL POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT OPERATIONS, BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE TEST FLIGHTS, MODEL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS, MODEL ROCKETRY, FLOAT PLANE OPERATIONS, UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS (UAS) AND AIRCRAFT/HELICOPTERS OPERATING FROM A SHIP OR PRIVATE/CORPORATE YACHT.

Frank