Ama should have left faa alone!
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how do i tell if iam 400 foot
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The pattern height is about 75 to 100 feet for most. Most people just learning and flying high with a trainer to allow time for a big mistake is near or above 400 feet. The box for aerobatic competiion is 1000 feet and sailplanes and large free flights are often well above that.
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how do i tell if iam 400 foot
I think I have those ratios right, but if not jump in.
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Now what to use for a symbol? Not a quad, maybe an Ugly Stick?
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I quoted you where you indicated that the AMA did not ignore this fact, now you are asking if we should ignore this? No I think the AMA should be working to resolve this. That is if there really is anything to resolve. Perhaps if they mark model airfields on sectional maps similar to parachuting and sailplane operations.
Now what to use for a symbol? Not a quad, maybe an Ugly Stick?
Now what to use for a symbol? Not a quad, maybe an Ugly Stick?
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Unfortunately it came about because of a number of significant "incidents" where models and full size conflicted. Never an accident, but the manned guys made enough noise that this was part of the way that the field was allowed to stay where it is, inside the Class D for Chino (CNO).
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We fly at a small airport as well. Some of the pilots fly right above our field at a low altitude (this is their home airport and they know we are there). We'd like to be on the charts so we have a little more ground to stand on.
We are an 'AMA chartered' club, I think they should be working on getting us on the charts.
We are an 'AMA chartered' club, I think they should be working on getting us on the charts.
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We fly at a small airport as well. Some of the pilots fly right above our field at a low altitude (this is their home airport and they know we are there). We'd like to be on the charts so we have a little more ground to stand on.
We are an 'AMA chartered' club, I think they should be working on getting us on the charts.
We are an 'AMA chartered' club, I think they should be working on getting us on the charts.
the modeler but many don't realize that the more solutions you employ the more effective you will be in accomplishing your goal. That being said restrictions need to placed on full
scale just as much if not more in some cases to do as much as possible to enhance safety for interaction between models and full scale.
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thanks, but we are not on the charts and not in the remarks or otherwise mentioned. An unfamiliar pilot would not know that there are rc aircraft close to the field. And we are inside the traffic pattern.
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They have to be notified of where we are at and the AMA and flyers in general seem reluctant to provide that information or how to make those notifications. Remember "When flying aircraft within 3 miles of an airport, notify the airport..." That was written in 1981.
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fly within 3 mi of a airport. The FAA should have a website and/or a 800 number for this purpose.
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Wow Only 4 names I don't recognize .. Looks like the RT's have found a new place. the first RT took only 1 hour and 57 minutes to find a new forum after the other one died.. Sorry just had to.
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The real problem as I see it, Really came to a head when the AMA or whom ever went to Congress and more or less authored (Or caused to be authored) Amendment #336. Originally Congress gave the FAA the authority to Promote all aviation in the USA and to modernize the whole ATC system. Then because The FAA perceived (either correctly or Not) that Congress/AMA was trying to tell the FAA, not only "What to do but HOW to Do It". This be Pertaining to one small group, less than 175,000 in number or less and a grand total of less than 1/2 Million special interests.
What happened then IMHO (if I may) is that the FAA Being almost as powerful as the IRS & Just as Dominating, took exception to the intrusion of congress on the FAA perceived duty to regulate every man made object, Not tied to the earth, operating in the NAS. After amendment #336 inception "Telling the "GOD's" of the FAA that they were not all powerful and had to make exceptions to their Pending New FAR's". This Ruffled a bunch of feathers, so to speak, at the FAA and they could not let this discretion pass with out some form of rebuttal. This caused the FAA to pick apart Amendment #336 Line by line and thus was born the FAA's Misinterpretation of what
congress had originally attempted to do by Exempting TOY Airplanes from Federal Regulation While flying in NAS.
If Aesop had written this as a Fable, The Moral to the story would/should be Don't mess with Bureaucrats and tell them "HOW to do their Job." It rarely will turn out (as in this case) the way one expects or wishes.
OK: Now tell me how wrong I am. Believe me I've gotten used to it
Foot Note: With only 617,128 active certificated pilots, and that number declining every year that the FAA might Relish another 1/2 Million people that were "Under their Governance so to speak, by making their TOY Airplanes subject to the FAR's. Again just some food for thought.
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The real problem as I see it, Really came to a head when the AMA or whom ever went to Congress and more or less authored (Or caused to be authored) Amendment #336. Originally Congress gave the FAA the authority to Promote all aviation in the USA and to modernize the whole ATC system. Then because The FAA perceived (either correctly or Not) that Congress/AMA was trying to tell the FAA, not only "What to do but HOW to Do It". This be Pertaining to one small group, less than 175,000 in number or less and a grand total of less than 1/2 Million special interests.
What happened then IMHO (if I may) is that the FAA Being almost as powerful as the IRS & Just as Dominating, took exception to the intrusion of congress on the FAA perceived duty to regulate every man made object, Not tied to the earth, operating in the NAS. After amendment #336 inception "Telling the "GOD's" of the FAA that they were not all powerful and had to make exceptions to their Pending New FAR's". This Ruffled a bunch of feathers, so to speak, at the FAA and they could not let this discretion pass with out some form of rebuttal. This caused the FAA to pick apart Amendment #336 Line by line and thus was born the FAA's Misinterpretation of what
congress had originally attempted to do by Exempting TOY Airplanes from Federal Regulation While flying in NAS.
If Aesop had written this as a Fable, The Moral to the story would/should be Don't mess with Bureaucrats and tell them "HOW to do their Job." It rarely will turn out (as in this case) the way one expects or wishes.
OK: Now tell me how wrong I am. Believe me I've gotten used to it
Foot Note: With only 617,128 active certificated pilots, and that number declining every year that the FAA might Relish another 1/2 Million people that were "Under their Governance so to speak, by making their TOY Airplanes subject to the FAR's. Again just some food for thought.
- As of the end of 2013, in the US, there were an estimated 617,128 active certificated pilots. This number has been declining gradually over the past several decades, down from a high of over 827,000 pilots in 1980. There were 702,659 in 1990 and 625,581 in 2000. The numbers include:
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
how do i tell if iam 400 foot
The other advantage is when/if My plane goes down I can Take the GPS coord's and Put them into a hand held GPS and walk right to my downed plane in the 10' corn or where ever.
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At towered air ports Controllers/ATIS warns arriving and departing Pilots all the time of hazard to flight. Where there is a AWOS (Automatic Weather Observation Station) It has continues broad of weather and an announcement can be added to the end of the broadcast. i.e. 250' unlighted crane on the 248 degrees radial of xyz VOR or Active Model air plane field 2,9 miles @ 180 degrees from airport.
All towers/Power lines/ect. are charted on all VFR charts why not Chartered Model air plane fields. With all modern GPS's and Glass Panel planes those warnings come to the attention of the Pilot when they become a factor to safe flight.
Another way is that in 2020 all aircraft that have an electrical system must be equipped with ADS-B witch brodcasts a planes position speed heading and altitude to all other aircraft with in range. An ADS-B transmitter could be set up to tell aircraft there are air planes in the air.
See there are many ways to skin the CAT.
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Simple Put them on the charts
At towered air ports Controllers/ATIS warns arriving and departing Pilots all the time of hazard to flight. Where there is a AWOS (Automatic Weather Observation Station) It has continues broad of weather and an announcement can be added to the end of the broadcast. i.e. 250' unlighted crane on the 248 degrees radial of xyz VOR or Active Model air plane field 2,9 miles @ 180 degrees from airport.
All towers/Power lines/ect. are charted on all VFR charts why not Chartered Model air plane fields. With all modern GPS's and Glass Panel planes those warnings come to the attention of the Pilot when they become a factor to safe flight.
Another way is that in 2020 all aircraft that have an electrical system must be equipped with ADS-B witch brodcasts a planes position speed heading and altitude to all other aircraft with in range. An ADS-B transmitter could be set up to tell aircraft there are air planes in the air.
See there are many ways to skin the CAT.
At towered air ports Controllers/ATIS warns arriving and departing Pilots all the time of hazard to flight. Where there is a AWOS (Automatic Weather Observation Station) It has continues broad of weather and an announcement can be added to the end of the broadcast. i.e. 250' unlighted crane on the 248 degrees radial of xyz VOR or Active Model air plane field 2,9 miles @ 180 degrees from airport.
All towers/Power lines/ect. are charted on all VFR charts why not Chartered Model air plane fields. With all modern GPS's and Glass Panel planes those warnings come to the attention of the Pilot when they become a factor to safe flight.
Another way is that in 2020 all aircraft that have an electrical system must be equipped with ADS-B witch brodcasts a planes position speed heading and altitude to all other aircraft with in range. An ADS-B transmitter could be set up to tell aircraft there are air planes in the air.
See there are many ways to skin the CAT.
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I agree with this regulation at large - or let's say very busy airports. We are class G airspace, no tower and just a flew planes fly here on a nice day.
We don't bother anybody, but a recent expansion brought up some concerns form the FAA. They would love to put a large fence around any airport and
don't let anybody enter the area.
But then the costs would be very high and being a public airport (which to great parts financed by the city, aka taxpayer), they need to play nice.
We don't want to cause any trouble, we do have some great supporters in the airport commission and be happy to use an unused taxi way for our runway.
So it would be nice (and logical) to get marked on the charts or at least a remark in the a/p information.
Anything and anybody can be a hazard if intended to be...
We don't bother anybody, but a recent expansion brought up some concerns form the FAA. They would love to put a large fence around any airport and
don't let anybody enter the area.
But then the costs would be very high and being a public airport (which to great parts financed by the city, aka taxpayer), they need to play nice.
We don't want to cause any trouble, we do have some great supporters in the airport commission and be happy to use an unused taxi way for our runway.
So it would be nice (and logical) to get marked on the charts or at least a remark in the a/p information.
Anything and anybody can be a hazard if intended to be...
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Of course that is foolish. About as foolish as NOT allowing all R/C flying with in 3/5 miles of an airport. If U look at any airports instrument approaches most have the altitudes and distance from Runways planes are allowed to come down to on an instrument approach. VFR aircraft fly a pattern usually 1000' AGL and within 5/8 to 1-1/14 miles of the runway until abeam their touch down point where they start a decent to the runway in a descending right or left turn to the approach end of the runway.
Then there those of us that fly on airports, For the last 45+ years with no incidents or accidents at all. We Just give way to all full scale on the ground and in the air. In fact when the corn get's high enough where w cannot see planes coming from the Hangers on the North side of the airport we station a spotter at the intersection of our E-W model runway and the fields N-S runway. He has an air horn and triggers one blast when a full scale is about to Take Off or Land. then 2 blasts when all clear. If a model is in the air they stay well clear of the full scale runway and circle to the east or land short. Check it out copy and paste 0WI8 into google maps. we fly North East of the Intersection of the N-S & the E-W runway.
Many Chartered R/C fields have been flying with in the 3/5 mile radius of airports for years with very few incidents and as fare as I know never any collision with full scale aircraft. If anyone knows of any such collision at a chartered R/C field with in the proximity of a full scale airport please enlighten all of us.