Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....
06-19-2015, 03:35 AM
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Somehow , I just fail to see what Mr. Obama has to do with an AMA dues increase .......Course , I really don't care much about politics , and certainly can do without political BS being dragged in to the AMA forum .
How about having some respect for your fellow posters and leave Mr. Obama to the political forums ?
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06-19-2015, 03:57 AM
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"A-less-than stellar claims history over the last few years has resulted in AMA incurring more than $1,000,000 in expenses against our self-insured retention..."
All but an admission that their safety management system is not so effective as they've been saying it is.
All but an admission that their safety management system is not so effective as they've been saying it is.
06-19-2015, 07:42 AM
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"A-less-than stellar claims history over the last few years has resulted in AMA incurring more than $1,000,000 in expenses against our self-insured retention..."
All but an admission that their safety management system is not so effective as they've been saying it is.
All but an admission that their safety management system is not so effective as they've been saying it is.
06-19-2015, 08:01 AM
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"A-less-than stellar claims history over the last few years has resulted in AMA incurring more than $1,000,000 in expenses against our self-insured retention..."
All but an admission that their safety management system is not so effective as they've been saying it is.
All but an admission that their safety management system is not so effective as they've been saying it is.
Reminds me of the meme. "Those that can do, those that can't do, teach, those that can't teach, consult".
06-19-2015, 08:18 AM
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Probably a little more complicated than that...the cost of everything related to that liability has gone through the roof...trying not to be political...but the fact remains.
06-19-2015, 02:44 PM
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06-19-2015, 03:52 PM
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The sad part is all of the money being spent ( and will be spent ) dealing with the non AMA idiots with "drones" that never will become AMA members anyway. IMO this is a losing battle as you can't regulate stupid. Were pissing in the wind on this one.
It's not about the dues increase to me as much as how it's being spent.
Mike
It's not about the dues increase to me as much as how it's being spent.
Mike
06-19-2015, 04:02 PM
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Just how much do you think the AMA will spend fighting the "drone" problem? This is not about providing the membership with a better product. This increase is nothing but fund generator to fuel a losing battle with the feds. As I have posted in the past most "drones" are sold to people who have no intention of joining the AMA or even care about regulations that are now in place. Now Sam's Club who have been selling the cheaper DJI online now plan on a full line in their stores. Gee what could possibility go wrong there and just how can all the money spent fix it? You can not educate or regulate people that just don"t care.
We the AMA members are funding a losing battle. Before you think I just hate "drones" I use them along with sell them here in the LHS. I see first hand everyday who's buying them and I can tell you that 99.9% of our sales go too people who will more than likely be part of the problem. We try and educate them but it's falling on deaf ears. That's the cold hard reality of the situation.
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We the AMA members are funding a losing battle. Before you think I just hate "drones" I use them along with sell them here in the LHS. I see first hand everyday who's buying them and I can tell you that 99.9% of our sales go too people who will more than likely be part of the problem. We try and educate them but it's falling on deaf ears. That's the cold hard reality of the situation.
Mike
Imagine the distribution channel of gopro pushing drones versus DJI
the analysts are projecting US$500M of sales for GoPro drones in the first year, conservatively
At $1000-$1500 retail (?) that is between 300-500K more of these drones per year, again virtually not one of them joining the AMA. These will in all likelihood have no conventional flight controls at all, so the issue of flying "skill" in meaningless. they are not models, the "M" in AMA
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06-20-2015, 04:17 AM
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Yes. For those of you who keep track of these things, GoPro has announced they are going to make a drone.
Imagine the distribution channel of gopro pushing drones versus DJI
the analysts are projecting US$500M of sales for GoPro drones in the first year, conservatively
At $1000-$1500 retail (?) that is between 300-500K more of these drones per year, again virtually not one of them joining the AMA. These will in all likelihood have no conventional flight controls at all, so the issue of flying "skill" in meaningless. they are not models, the "M" in AMA
Imagine the distribution channel of gopro pushing drones versus DJI
the analysts are projecting US$500M of sales for GoPro drones in the first year, conservatively
At $1000-$1500 retail (?) that is between 300-500K more of these drones per year, again virtually not one of them joining the AMA. These will in all likelihood have no conventional flight controls at all, so the issue of flying "skill" in meaningless. they are not models, the "M" in AMA
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06-20-2015, 11:18 AM
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everyone stop paying the dues for a year see how fast they will come down everyone wants money money i will not be able to pay higher dues so to the desert i go
06-20-2015, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
everyone stop paying the dues for a year see how fast they will come down everyone wants money money i will not be able to pay higher dues so to the desert i go
06-20-2015, 07:41 PM
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Like I said, if $20 breaks the bank then the $48 already paid got to hurt, so save $68 to go to the desert, hope it is closer than your current site so you can save some gas money also, oh, I'm not so nice, no pay your dues for me.
Reno, NV has 2 groups that fly. One group is an AMA club that has a beautiful paved runway and apron, tables, storage, separate heli spot, they stage events and all the members pay dues and belong to AMA and do a good job supporting the club. The second group call themselves "The Outlaws", no AMA, no dues or club membership and they are proud of it, they fly off of dry, dusty alkaline dry lakebed that in the wintertime becomes a lake and they often have to share it with wind surfers, of course you don't want to fly when they are surfing. Bottom line is simple, "wanna play, gotta pay".
Reno, NV has 2 groups that fly. One group is an AMA club that has a beautiful paved runway and apron, tables, storage, separate heli spot, they stage events and all the members pay dues and belong to AMA and do a good job supporting the club. The second group call themselves "The Outlaws", no AMA, no dues or club membership and they are proud of it, they fly off of dry, dusty alkaline dry lakebed that in the wintertime becomes a lake and they often have to share it with wind surfers, of course you don't want to fly when they are surfing. Bottom line is simple, "wanna play, gotta pay".
06-21-2015, 05:44 PM
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Rotary wing_models_are fine. Mass market semi-autonomous drones are not models.
If you can't see the difference between a model and a drone marketed by a 8 billion $ public company, marketed to SOLELY address social media outlets like YouTube then I'm not sure there's much left to talk about with you.
If you can't see the difference between a model and a drone marketed by a 8 billion $ public company, marketed to SOLELY address social media outlets like YouTube then I'm not sure there's much left to talk about with you.
06-22-2015, 01:25 PM
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Rotary wing_models_are fine. Mass market semi-autonomous drones are not models.
If you can't see the difference between a model and a drone marketed by a 8 billion $ public company, marketed to SOLELY address social media outlets like YouTube then I'm not sure there's much left to talk about with you.
If you can't see the difference between a model and a drone marketed by a 8 billion $ public company, marketed to SOLELY address social media outlets like YouTube then I'm not sure there's much left to talk about with you.
Do you remember what you said back in this thread you started?
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...ed-online.html
Specifically...."I think it is interesting that it does not appear to add any regulation regarding the difference between a model aircraft and a UAS".
Have you figured out the reason for that yet? Do you think it might have something do to with the type of flying rather than the aircraft?
It's the people flying the aircraft that is the issue. Banning these multi-rotors, or calling for the AMA to step away from involving them in the hobby (the traditional hobby as you put it), is just simplistic and naive. They are here to stay, and are a valid part of the hobby.
We should all be thankful that this isn't the position the AMA took when new technologies came around, like say, turbines and helis etc. I'm not thrilled about paying more for dues, but...it is what it is. Wish they could have done smaller ones along the way, but I suspect it won''t cause any great decline in membership.
06-22-2015, 04:13 PM
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you mean like the guys who think nothing of buying a $3500 glow fueled radial engine , and then whine about the price of the $35 gallon of fuel ?
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06-22-2015, 04:16 PM
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06-22-2015, 06:00 PM
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The AMA could spend a million or 10 million. There is no evidence their involvement traveling to the AUVSI or any of the other trade shows has done or will do anything but increase frequent flyer accounts.
If the cost of living has gone up 30+ percent why not use all of these new dues to upgrade our insurance policy by 30%. I would be for tripling the dues if it was spent wisely.
If the cost of living has gone up 30+ percent why not use all of these new dues to upgrade our insurance policy by 30%. I would be for tripling the dues if it was spent wisely.
06-23-2015, 03:19 AM
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