Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....
08-24-2015, 12:22 PM
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OK your using a policy change from March 21, 2011 that does not pertain to the whole membership to prove to me that the AMA is in touch with the membership in August of 2015.
What's wrong with that picture?
Isn't this thread about the 2015 dues increase?
[h=1]Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....[/h]Yep just checked, it sure is.
Mike
What's wrong with that picture?
Isn't this thread about the 2015 dues increase?
[h=1]Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....[/h]Yep just checked, it sure is.
Mike
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08-24-2015, 12:48 PM
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"The AMA Executive Council has listened to the concerns of AMA members who are exposed to an increased risk of being held liable for the duties they perform on behalf of the Academy,said Dave Mathewson, president of the AMA."
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/A...ge-release.pdf
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/A...ge-release.pdf
FWIW I see nothing wrong with this "picture" as you just presented it. A perfectly acceptable point to note that the EC does listen to it's membership and instead of saying hey ya, that's right, the point get's attacked. Although there was no prior indication that your points had to have a date of them, for say, like 2015 forward, that nonetheless became the takeaway from a good example.
And then this:
*************** OK your using a policy change from March 21, 2011 that does not pertain to the whole membership to prove to me that the AMA is in touch with the membership in 2015. What's wrong with that picture? Mike ***************
Gets changed to this:
OK your using a policy change from March 21, 2011 that does not pertain to the whole membership to prove to me that the AMA is in touch with the membership in August of 2015.
What's wrong with that picture?
Isn't this thread about the 2015 dues increase?
Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....
Yep just checked, it sure is.
Mike
Time and effort spent not to consider the point you made, but to try to find a way to diminish it, then change the point of discussion.
08-24-2015, 12:49 PM
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"This includes, but is not limited to, Contest Coordinators, District Safety Officers, Contest Directors, Event Directors, Leader Members, Large Model Aircraft Inspectors, Air Show Team Managers, Associate Vice Presidents, Contest Board Members, and World Championship Team Leaders."
08-24-2015, 01:01 PM
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That is a nice "perk" if you can call it that for those that decide to throw their hand in the air and accept additional responsibilities. For me personally it wouldn't stop me from getting involved if it wasn't there, and I would guess not many people were on the fence about doing that based on if this passed or not, but again, the additional coverage is nice. It's even better given the extremely litigious society we live in now.
FWIW I see nothing wrong with this "picture" as you just presented it. A perfectly acceptable point to note that the EC does listen to it's membership and instead of saying hey ya, that's right, the point get's attacked. Although there was no prior indication that your points had to have a date of them, for say, like 2015 forward, that nonetheless became the takeaway from a good example.
And then this:
*************** OK your using a policy change from March 21, 2011 that does not pertain to the whole membership to prove to me that the AMA is in touch with the membership in 2015. What's wrong with that picture? Mike ***************
Gets changed to this:
OK your using a policy change from March 21, 2011 that does not pertain to the whole membership to prove to me that the AMA is in touch with the membership in August of 2015.
What's wrong with that picture?
Isn't this thread about the 2015 dues increase?
Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....
Yep just checked, it sure is.
Mike
Time and effort spent not to consider the point you made, but to try to find a way to diminish it, then change the point of discussion.
FWIW I see nothing wrong with this "picture" as you just presented it. A perfectly acceptable point to note that the EC does listen to it's membership and instead of saying hey ya, that's right, the point get's attacked. Although there was no prior indication that your points had to have a date of them, for say, like 2015 forward, that nonetheless became the takeaway from a good example.
And then this:
*************** OK your using a policy change from March 21, 2011 that does not pertain to the whole membership to prove to me that the AMA is in touch with the membership in 2015. What's wrong with that picture? Mike ***************
Gets changed to this:
OK your using a policy change from March 21, 2011 that does not pertain to the whole membership to prove to me that the AMA is in touch with the membership in August of 2015.
What's wrong with that picture?
Isn't this thread about the 2015 dues increase?
Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....
Yep just checked, it sure is.
Mike
Time and effort spent not to consider the point you made, but to try to find a way to diminish it, then change the point of discussion.
Heck, just look at AMA voter turnout:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/new...ction-results/
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08-24-2015, 01:10 PM
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I guess some folks will never be happy with anything the AMA does. Expecting to get consensus on something from all 170k+ AMA members just highlights how out of touch some folks really are.
Heck, just look at AMA voter turnout:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/new...ction-results/
Heck, just look at AMA voter turnout:
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/new...ction-results/
Right, and in the event there is something done that can be seen as a positive there will be those that insist it's a negative. Some folks need to see the bad in everything, or have a "cause". Before the expected responses come rolling in, I mean this as a general statement, not just about this hobby. But to you point this:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #d4d4d4, colspan: 2"][h=3]Executive Vice President[/h] [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gary Fitch[/TD]
[TD]7,067[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Horrace Cain[/TD]
[TD]4,085[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Others[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Less than 12,000 people voted for what we can assume is a pretty imporant role in this organization. Less than 12,000 out of how many potential voters? Oh, and this was at a time when both parties made their thoughts on "drone" issue pretty clear. Well, one of them was pretty clear all along, the party had to be poked and prodded on the issue and the first answer given was classic politicians talk. When pressed, he said what he was felt about it. The result was a decisive victory for Gary.
08-24-2015, 01:18 PM
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Right, and in the event there is something done that can be seen as a positive there will be those that insist it's a negative. Some folks need to see the bad in everything, or have a "cause". Before the expected responses come rolling in, I mean this as a general statement, not just about this hobby. But to you point this:
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #d4d4d4, colspan: 2"]Executive Vice President
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gary Fitch[/TD]
[TD]7,067[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Horrace Cain[/TD]
[TD]4,085[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Others[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Less than 12,000 people voted for what we can assume is a pretty imporant role in this organization. Less than 12,000 out of how many potential voters? Oh, and this was at a time when both parties made their thoughts on "drone" issue pretty clear. Well, one of them was pretty clear all along, the party had to be poked and prodded on the issue and the first answer given was classic politicians talk. When pressed, he said what he was felt about it. The result was a decisive victory for Gary.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #d4d4d4, colspan: 2"]Executive Vice President
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Gary Fitch[/TD]
[TD]7,067[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Horrace Cain[/TD]
[TD]4,085[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Others[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Less than 12,000 people voted for what we can assume is a pretty imporant role in this organization. Less than 12,000 out of how many potential voters? Oh, and this was at a time when both parties made their thoughts on "drone" issue pretty clear. Well, one of them was pretty clear all along, the party had to be poked and prodded on the issue and the first answer given was classic politicians talk. When pressed, he said what he was felt about it. The result was a decisive victory for Gary.
08-24-2015, 01:21 PM
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went back to that link again. For the district races, there were basically 17 states represented there, and in each district an average of 1,000 people voted in each district. So about 4,000 people in 17 states. Wow. A majority win in all but one district, the other being a landslide.
Perhaps those that didn't vote were happy with the folks that were in those positions, and agreed with what they were doing.
Perhaps those that didn't vote were happy with the folks that were in those positions, and agreed with what they were doing.
08-24-2015, 01:27 PM
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The intro pilot program used to charge clubs to list instructors that has been waived. There never should have been a charge in the first place for clubs trying to promote the hobby.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...pilotdesc.aspx
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http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...pilotdesc.aspx
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08-24-2015, 02:21 PM
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08-24-2015, 02:49 PM
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That it is! However the change was not that much about producing members, it was more about not charging (and thanking) clubs/members that actively volunteer to promote the hobby to the general public. We all know there are not enough volunteers.
08-24-2015, 02:55 PM
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Seeing how you consider this a good thing, would consider the AMA's decision to eliminate this trivial fee consistent with the AMA being in touch or out of touch with the membership?
08-24-2015, 03:27 PM
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08-24-2015, 03:42 PM
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I believe this program is the one you would be most interested in:
http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...pilotdesc.aspx
http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...pilotdesc.aspx
08-24-2015, 05:02 PM
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Can't remember your position on that. Is it bad for an organization to grow the membership, or are efforts better spent on limiting growth, or better yet actively ridding itself of members?
I'm on the side of growth, the hobby is too fun to keep it exclusive.
I'm on the side of growth, the hobby is too fun to keep it exclusive.
08-24-2015, 05:22 PM
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08-24-2015, 05:39 PM
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Perhaps the AMA is more "in touch" than most realize, or admit....
08-24-2015, 05:42 PM
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08-24-2015, 05:57 PM
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Sometimes you need to sacrifice what you want now, for what you want eventually.
08-24-2015, 06:57 PM
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....it's like our own thread now. ha!2016 is when you'll be able to start seeing statistically relevant data that might show growth, stagnation, or shrinkage. And it's not uncommon to see some financial from the prior year released later into the next year,
As for the hair at our club...I'm happy to report it's a mix of colors. Our board has made a concerted effort to seek out new members of all types. It's probably the thing I'm most proud of our club for, in terms of achievements. From 125 to 180 and change in 4 years, more children than ever, more females than ever, more family memberships than ever, more people joining AMA to join us than ever, more diversity overall. If I could sign up a girl scout troop I could, I've tried to get them to the field as well. It takes work and creativity and risk, some efforts fall flat. We've tried free AMA, club memberships, and a complete airplane and gear packages to kids in the town we're in, no luck. But then someone from two states away will join...go figure. There are still many different ways to promote the club and the hobby, but life and work and family get in the way.
08-24-2015, 07:19 PM
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As for the hair at our club...I'm happy to report it's a mix of colors. Our board has made a concerted effort to seek out new members of all types. It's probably the thing I'm most proud of our club for, in terms of achievements. From 125 to 180 and change in 4 years, more children than ever, more females than ever, more family memberships than ever, more people joining AMA to join us than ever, more diversity overall. If I could sign up a girl scout troop I could, I've tried to get them to the field as well. It takes work and creativity and risk, some efforts fall flat. We've tried free AMA, club memberships, and a complete airplane and gear packages to kids in the town we're in, no luck. But then someone from two states away will join...go figure. There are still many different ways to promote the club and the hobby, but life and work and family get in the way.
My club is small and has a capped membership, but we've worked very hard to keep the roster full and have a waiting list for those who wish to join.
08-25-2015, 03:04 AM
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What is the purpose of the "capped" membership? I didn't understand that at my club, even more so since we had a huge field, and were public/town property. I couldn't see having an event that people attended, and then having a father and his son try to join, only to be told no sorry, check back next year. The cap was the first thing I moved to take away when I became a club officer. I suppose there might be a good reason to have the cap, I just didn't see it.
08-25-2015, 03:57 AM
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What is the purpose of the "capped" membership? I didn't understand that at my club, even more so since we had a huge field, and were public/town property. I couldn't see having an event that people attended, and then having a father and his son try to join, only to be told no sorry, check back next year. The cap was the first thing I moved to take away when I became a club officer. I suppose there might be a good reason to have the cap, I just didn't see it.