Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....
11-08-2015, 08:20 AM
#1651
Originally Posted by Tom Nied 
Yeah it's weird. I've got a quadcopter I fly in the backyard or out at the field but to the general public, they consider it a drone. Always thought drones were aircraft that are flying autonomously.
The FAA definition is: "any vehicle that operates in the airspace that is unmanned and radio controlled either line of sight or not". That is not word for word but it is pretty close. That is one of the issues of this thread, that is the accepted definition by the lawmakers and it does not care if it is fixed wing, rotary wing or multi rotor, all drones even though the ones everyone is concerned with are MR's. Any regulation they pass on the Drone issue is across the board.
Stages of of regulation of a toy hobby.
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1. From Bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy; <--------- The R/C community is right here
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"
Where do you think present day R/C Hobby/Sport falls on this list?
11-08-2015, 06:01 PM
#1652
One thing that continually irritates me is that we the AMA members will abide by the rules. The jerks out there that just want a fast thrill wont care diddly about rules, regulations, laws and will somehow obtain a quadcopter and continue to make us look bad as well make it more expensive for us. Not them. It sucks and I hate taking the hit because of them.
11-08-2015, 06:44 PM
#1653
One thing that continually irritates me is that we the AMA members will abide by the rules. The jerks out there that just want a fast thrill wont care diddly about rules, regulations, laws and will somehow obtain a quadcopter and continue to make us look bad as well make it more expensive for us. Not them. It sucks and I hate taking the hit because of them.
11-08-2015, 07:14 PM
#1654
Then maybe we should embrace the registration of all R/C flying equipment & pilots too. That way we stand a better chance of being separated from those that choose to break or disregard the FAR's/Rules/Safety code. i.e.
That was my thinking as well, but you don't have to read many posts here to see the pattern. Bottom is the AMA haters are going to hate the AMA no matter what they do.
The authorities don't arrest U if U don't drive drunk, Drive ridiculously,speed, Drive where U are not allowed to. ect. This will probably not happen makes too much sense to prosecute the ones that are guilty but just to make a decision to paint every one with the same brush.
That was my thinking as well, but you don't have to read many posts here to see the pattern. Bottom is the AMA haters are going to hate the AMA no matter what they do.
The authorities don't arrest U if U don't drive drunk, Drive ridiculously,speed, Drive where U are not allowed to. ect. This will probably not happen makes too much sense to prosecute the ones that are guilty but just to make a decision to paint every one with the same brush.
11-08-2015, 07:34 PM
#1655
I think it doesn't matter. Us law abiding, rule and regulation abiding AMA members, we're screwed. Enjoy your higher membership dues. Because our opinion doesn't count.
11-08-2015, 08:30 PM
#1656
It's only temporary. With the grass roots effort I see taking place here the next "membership elected" AMA president will have it all straightened out the day he or she takes office. Dues will be will voluntary going forward and the dues increase will be reimbursed retroactively. You can sleep well tonight knowing the future looks bright.
11-08-2015, 08:34 PM
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One thing that continually irritates me is that we the AMA members will abide by the rules. The jerks out there that just want a fast thrill wont care diddly about rules, regulations, laws and will somehow obtain a quadcopter and continue to make us look bad as well make it more expensive for us. Not them. It sucks and I hate taking the hit because of them.
11-08-2015, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Nied I think it doesn't matter. Us law abiding, rule and regulation abiding AMA members, we're screwed. Enjoy your higher membership dues. Because our opinion doesn't count.
It's only temporary. With the grass roots effort I see taking place here the next "membership elected" AMA president will have it all straightened out the day he or she takes office. Dues will be will voluntary going forward and the dues increase will be reimbursed retroactively. You can sleep well tonight knowing the future looks bright.
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11-09-2015, 05:21 AM
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11-09-2015, 05:31 AM
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Concur, though I think they may have made the right choice (don't know yet), I certainly don't consider someone with an opposing view a hater. Someone needs a reality check.
11-09-2015, 05:54 AM
#1663
Thats what the AMA thought about us or didnt think about us regular rc flyers when they thought about letting theses FPV /drone guys in $ . lol I find alot of flyers that think like you and me Tom but its kinda to late to do anything about it now except what i did and drop my card . Something tells me i wont be the only one in the future tho. joe
11-09-2015, 06:51 AM
#1664
What's really said is those complaining about poor choices being made, but doing nothing to be part of the decision making process. Sad indeed.
11-09-2015, 06:52 AM
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Thats what the AMA thought about us or didnt think about us regular rc flyers when they thought about letting theses FPV /drone guys in $ . lol I find alot of flyers that think like you and me Tom but its kinda to late to do anything about it now except what i did and drop my card . Something tells me i wont be the only one in the future tho. joe
11-09-2015, 08:40 AM
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11-09-2015, 08:46 AM
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How are non-AMA members impacted by what the AMA does? The AMA is lobbying on behalf of its members. Anyone member can lobby the FAA directly.
11-09-2015, 09:04 AM
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Depends on which way the wind is blowing. For example, read the AMA mission statement about who they represent. Are you calling them liars?
11-09-2015, 09:29 AM
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11-09-2015, 10:12 AM
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They aren't, except when it is convenient. When AMA talks about the 80 year safety record of model aircraft flying, are they segregating the record of AMA members from that of the hoi polloi? They do claim it was done under the leadership of AMA. When AMA calls for a letter-writing-to-pols campaign, do they address it to members only? When AMA was party to the sUAS ARC, did the recommendations made apply only to AMA members? I'll grant that only AMA interests were represented, but all modelers were impacted by that ugly piece of work.
11-09-2015, 10:21 AM
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they aren't, except when it is convenient. When ama talks about the 80 year safety record of model aircraft flying, are they segregating the record of ama members from that of the hoi polloi?
how would the ama be able to know about or collect information on non-ama related incidents? Imho the 80 safety record should only represent ama member operations during that 80 year period.
they do claim it was done under the leadership of ama.
the did devise the ama safety code which members are require to follow per their membership agreement.
when ama calls for a letter-writing-to-pols campaign, do they address it to members only?
examples where it's being addressed to non-members? Is there any harm in addressing it non-members?
when ama was party to the suas arc, did the recommendations made apply only to ama members? I'll grant that only ama interests were represented, but all modelers were impacted by that ugly piece of work.
not familiar with it. Can you post references?
how would the ama be able to know about or collect information on non-ama related incidents? Imho the 80 safety record should only represent ama member operations during that 80 year period.
they do claim it was done under the leadership of ama.
the did devise the ama safety code which members are require to follow per their membership agreement.
when ama calls for a letter-writing-to-pols campaign, do they address it to members only?
examples where it's being addressed to non-members? Is there any harm in addressing it non-members?
when ama was party to the suas arc, did the recommendations made apply only to ama members? I'll grant that only ama interests were represented, but all modelers were impacted by that ugly piece of work.
not familiar with it. Can you post references?
11-09-2015, 10:31 AM
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11-09-2015, 10:55 AM
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11-09-2015, 02:54 PM
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One thing that continually irritates me is that we the AMA members will abide by the rules. The jerks out there that just want a fast thrill wont care diddly about rules, regulations, laws and will somehow obtain a quadcopter and continue to make us look bad as well make it more expensive for us. Not them. It sucks and I hate taking the hit because of them.
11-09-2015, 03:56 PM
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If U don't like the way any organization spends your dues money then stop supporting them Boycot/ See where that get's ya. Remember the SFA how'd that work out? I'm sure thaters not renewing their AMA membership will bring them to their knees. Maybe they should deny them membership just as any insurance can deny anyone when their current membership expires. Again don' let the Door hit U in the A** on the way out.