Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....
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CJ: & Others:
Just like the first amendment I may not like what U say (Or your Opinions) but I'll defend your right to say it . That being said:
If U only Join the AMA to have access to a flying site too bad I feel sorry For U. There is so much more to this hobby/sport than going to a place and fly 3 times for a total of maybe a half hour in the air. If U aren't flying "LLectric" that is. There are an estimated 500 thousand people flying some sort of R/C in the USA today. Subtracting the AMA's 180/185 from a half million (Soon to be a Million and a half) we find 170% more people Flying R/C than the whole of the AMA. Now if U or anyone else dislikes the AMA so much, I suggest either U or them run for office in the AMA and change it from within.
On The other Hand is to save your Dues and Join the 170%, soon to be 1.5 million / 180k over 800% of the people flying R/C TOYs. that don't need the AMA and it's expense just to fly TOY airplanes in the USA. If U and others are so unhappy with the AMA (For any reason) then show your disdain by selling all your TOYs to those that Appreciate the AMA and all they do for the Hobby/Sport and Go buy an R/C Sailboat a lawn chair and a 6 pac. Then when U sober up U can wonder where the dumb sail boat went. LOL.
Just like the first amendment I may not like what U say (Or your Opinions) but I'll defend your right to say it . That being said:
If U only Join the AMA to have access to a flying site too bad I feel sorry For U. There is so much more to this hobby/sport than going to a place and fly 3 times for a total of maybe a half hour in the air. If U aren't flying "LLectric" that is. There are an estimated 500 thousand people flying some sort of R/C in the USA today. Subtracting the AMA's 180/185 from a half million (Soon to be a Million and a half) we find 170% more people Flying R/C than the whole of the AMA. Now if U or anyone else dislikes the AMA so much, I suggest either U or them run for office in the AMA and change it from within.
On The other Hand is to save your Dues and Join the 170%, soon to be 1.5 million / 180k over 800% of the people flying R/C TOYs. that don't need the AMA and it's expense just to fly TOY airplanes in the USA. If U and others are so unhappy with the AMA (For any reason) then show your disdain by selling all your TOYs to those that Appreciate the AMA and all they do for the Hobby/Sport and Go buy an R/C Sailboat a lawn chair and a 6 pac. Then when U sober up U can wonder where the dumb sail boat went. LOL.
I appreciate your concern, but don't understand why you think I am missing out on anything. At the club site, I enjoy the camaraderie with clubmates and everything else that goes with modeling. AMA very rarely gets even passing mention, except in an annual report from the treasurer at a club meeting that AMA charter fees were paid out, and a posted placard displaying the AMA Safety Code. A fair portion of the time I spend there is with noobs, assisting them with intro flights, and instruction if they come back for more. AMA doesn't get mentioned even when I'm in that role. I give them a safety brief, but leave it to others to tell them they have to belong to AMA to fly there.
CJ
#2002
CJ: & Others:
Just like the first amendment I may not like what U say (Or your Opinions) but I'll defend your right to say it . That being said:
If U only Join the AMA to have access to a flying site too bad I feel sorry For U. There is so much more to this hobby/sport than going to a place and fly 3 times for a total of maybe a half hour in the air. If U aren't flying "LLectric" that is. There are an estimated 500 thousand people flying some sort of R/C in the USA today. Subtracting the AMA's 180/185 from a half million (Soon to be a Million and a half) we find 170% more people Flying R/C than the whole of the AMA. Now if U or anyone else dislikes the AMA so much, I suggest either U or them run for office in the AMA and change it from within.
On The other Hand is to save your Dues and Join the 170%, soon to be 1.5 million / 180k over 800% of the people flying R/C TOYs. that don't need the AMA and it's expense just to fly TOY airplanes in the USA. If U and others are so unhappy with the AMA (For any reason) then show your disdain by selling all your TOYs to those that Appreciate the AMA and all they do for the Hobby/Sport and Go buy an R/C Sailboat a lawn chair and a 6 pac. Then when U sober up U can wonder where the dumb sail boat went. LOL.
Just like the first amendment I may not like what U say (Or your Opinions) but I'll defend your right to say it . That being said:
If U only Join the AMA to have access to a flying site too bad I feel sorry For U. There is so much more to this hobby/sport than going to a place and fly 3 times for a total of maybe a half hour in the air. If U aren't flying "LLectric" that is. There are an estimated 500 thousand people flying some sort of R/C in the USA today. Subtracting the AMA's 180/185 from a half million (Soon to be a Million and a half) we find 170% more people Flying R/C than the whole of the AMA. Now if U or anyone else dislikes the AMA so much, I suggest either U or them run for office in the AMA and change it from within.
On The other Hand is to save your Dues and Join the 170%, soon to be 1.5 million / 180k over 800% of the people flying R/C TOYs. that don't need the AMA and it's expense just to fly TOY airplanes in the USA. If U and others are so unhappy with the AMA (For any reason) then show your disdain by selling all your TOYs to those that Appreciate the AMA and all they do for the Hobby/Sport and Go buy an R/C Sailboat a lawn chair and a 6 pac. Then when U sober up U can wonder where the dumb sail boat went. LOL.
#2003
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Originally Posted by HoundDog
CJ: & Others:
Just like the first amendment I may not like what U say(Or your Opinions) but I'll defend your right to say it . That being said:
If U only Join the AMA to have access to a flying site too bad I feel sorry For U. There is so much more to this hobby/sport than going to a place and fly 3 times for a total of maybe a half hour in the air. If U aren't flying "LLectric" that is. There are an estimated 500 thousand people flying some sort of R/C in the USA today. Subtracting the AMA's 180/185 from a half million (Soon to be a Million and a half) we find 170% more people Flying R/C than the whole of the AMA. Now if U or anyone else dislikes the AMA so much, I suggest either U or them run for office in the AMA and change it from within.
On The other Hand is to save your Dues and Join the 170%, soon to be 1.5 million / 180k over 800% of the people flying R/C TOYs. that don't need the AMA and it's expense just to fly TOY airplanes in the USA. If U and others are so unhappy with the AMA (For any reason) then show your disdain by selling all your TOYs to those that Appreciate the AMA and all they do for the Hobby/Sport and Go buy an R/C Sailboat a lawn chair and a 6 pac. Then when U sober up U can wonder where the dumb sail boat went. LOL
but don't understand why you think I am missing out
First I ment to send it as a PM.
I didn't say U were Missing out U said:
"Will I pay at the AMA toll gate to gain access to my club flying site? Yes. Do tens of thousands of other modelers pay that toll for no reason other than access to a flying site? Yes
Sorry if I did misinterpret "no reason other than "
CJ: & Others:
Just like the first amendment I may not like what U say(Or your Opinions) but I'll defend your right to say it . That being said:
If U only Join the AMA to have access to a flying site too bad I feel sorry For U. There is so much more to this hobby/sport than going to a place and fly 3 times for a total of maybe a half hour in the air. If U aren't flying "LLectric" that is. There are an estimated 500 thousand people flying some sort of R/C in the USA today. Subtracting the AMA's 180/185 from a half million (Soon to be a Million and a half) we find 170% more people Flying R/C than the whole of the AMA. Now if U or anyone else dislikes the AMA so much, I suggest either U or them run for office in the AMA and change it from within.
On The other Hand is to save your Dues and Join the 170%, soon to be 1.5 million / 180k over 800% of the people flying R/C TOYs. that don't need the AMA and it's expense just to fly TOY airplanes in the USA. If U and others are so unhappy with the AMA (For any reason) then show your disdain by selling all your TOYs to those that Appreciate the AMA and all they do for the Hobby/Sport and Go buy an R/C Sailboat a lawn chair and a 6 pac. Then when U sober up U can wonder where the dumb sail boat went. LOL
Hound,
I appreciate your concern, but don't understand why you think I am missing out on anything. At the club site, I enjoy the camaraderie with clubmates and everything else that goes with modeling. AMA very rarely gets even passing mention, except in an annual report from the treasurer at a club meeting that AMA charter fees were paid out, and a posted placard displaying the AMA Safety Code. A fair portion of the time I spend there is with noobs, assisting them with intro flights, and instruction if they come back for more. AMA doesn't get mentioned even when I'm in that role. I give them a safety brief, but leave it to others to tell them they have to belong to AMA to fly there.
CJ
I appreciate your concern, but don't understand why you think I am missing out on anything. At the club site, I enjoy the camaraderie with clubmates and everything else that goes with modeling. AMA very rarely gets even passing mention, except in an annual report from the treasurer at a club meeting that AMA charter fees were paid out, and a posted placard displaying the AMA Safety Code. A fair portion of the time I spend there is with noobs, assisting them with intro flights, and instruction if they come back for more. AMA doesn't get mentioned even when I'm in that role. I give them a safety brief, but leave it to others to tell them they have to belong to AMA to fly there.
CJ
First I ment to send it as a PM.
I didn't say U were Missing out U said:
"Will I pay at the AMA toll gate to gain access to my club flying site? Yes. Do tens of thousands of other modelers pay that toll for no reason other than access to a flying site? Yes
Sorry if I did misinterpret "no reason other than "
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Exactly! And the board or executive council (like president, etc) certainly should go in the direction desired by by the majority, and provide transparency on the finances, since it is indeed our organization.
#2005
Irrelevant, unless his boss runs a non profit association in which he is a member.
Not irrelevant at all, unless of course you're specifically referring to the minimum required by law. Transparency can be voluntary. Of course, if you think you have a legal case with the AMA then you already know what to do.
Exactly! And the board or executive council (like president, etc) certainly should go in the direction desired by by the majority,
Maybe they did.
and provide transparency on the finances, since it is indeed our organization.
What documented attempts have you made to acquire such information?
Not irrelevant at all, unless of course you're specifically referring to the minimum required by law. Transparency can be voluntary. Of course, if you think you have a legal case with the AMA then you already know what to do.
Exactly! And the board or executive council (like president, etc) certainly should go in the direction desired by by the majority,
Maybe they did.
and provide transparency on the finances, since it is indeed our organization.
What documented attempts have you made to acquire such information?
#2006
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Irrelevant, unless his boss runs a non profit association in which he is a member.
Exactly! And the board or executive council (like president, etc) certainly should go in the direction desired by by the majority, and provide transparency on the finances, since it is indeed our organization.
Exactly! And the board or executive council (like president, etc) certainly should go in the direction desired by by the majority, and provide transparency on the finances, since it is indeed our organization.
The Infinitesimal minority thst post/Read here means nothing in the scheme of things.
Again if anyone doesn't like how the AMA is run and the decisions they make then
RUN FOR OFFICE and make a change.
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Who says it's your/our organisation. Sorta like saying "We are the Government"
The Infinitesimal minority thst post/Read here means nothing in the scheme of things.
Again if anyone doesn't like how the AMA is run and the decisions they make then
RUN FOR OFFICE and make a change.
The Infinitesimal minority thst post/Read here means nothing in the scheme of things.
Again if anyone doesn't like how the AMA is run and the decisions they make then
RUN FOR OFFICE and make a change.
As for your reply, running for office is probably futile, as it seems the org is primarily being run by senior staff rather than the elected officers. ymmv
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#2010
Transparency does not equal expense. Much of the information they should be collecting already. Are you trying to say they don't know their demographics? Or how they're changing over time? Are you saying they can't figure out how many of these "loss leader" programs turn into repeat dues? If they have metrics, let's see them. What they have already? Why not?
#2011
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Transparency does not equal expense. Much of the information they should be collecting already. Are you trying to say they don't know their demographics? Or how they're changing over time? Are you saying they can't figure out how many of these "loss leader" programs turn into repeat dues? If they have metrics, let's see them. What they have already? Why not?
#2012
Transparency does not equal expense. Much of the information they should be collecting already. Are you trying to say they don't know their demographics? Or how they're changing over time? Are you saying they can't figure out how many of these "loss leader" programs turn into repeat dues? If they have metrics, let's see them. What they have already? Why not?
When assessing the costs associated with any business process it's important to fully understand all the costs associated with that process.
The AMA is a 501(c)(3) organization and subject to many legal reporting requirements. If you feel you're not receiving the information you're entitled to you're certainly entitled to pursue legal action.
#2014
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You are correct, I think shops only got 8-10 bucks if that, Rcmike might know different as he works at a shop and they might have been part of that. If what some folks have said though is correct, that these people will never come to clubs and fly, never really be part of the whole club/ama thing, then I might venture a guess to say that this makes good business sense. Sort of like the guys at clubs that pay their full membership and only fly once or twice a year!
#2015
Here's a recap of the hobby shop program. We don't participate.
"• The program is designed to reward hobby-shop owners with $8.00 for each new adult and $6.00 for a senior member, $4.00 for each Introductory Membership (three-month trial) and $4.00 for each new Park Pilot Program member.
• Annually each store that participated in the program within a calendar year will be entered into a drawing for $1,000. The drawing will take place December 31.
• Each month all new members including Open, Senior, Park Pilot, 3 Month Trial and Youth will have one entry into a drawing for a $100 gift card to be spent at the store they purchased their AMA membership. AMA will provide the $100 to each store; these gift certificates will not be redeemable for cash.
• While family and youth memberships are available through this hobby shop program, no commissions will be paid for them at this time."
Mike
"• The program is designed to reward hobby-shop owners with $8.00 for each new adult and $6.00 for a senior member, $4.00 for each Introductory Membership (three-month trial) and $4.00 for each new Park Pilot Program member.
• Annually each store that participated in the program within a calendar year will be entered into a drawing for $1,000. The drawing will take place December 31.
• Each month all new members including Open, Senior, Park Pilot, 3 Month Trial and Youth will have one entry into a drawing for a $100 gift card to be spent at the store they purchased their AMA membership. AMA will provide the $100 to each store; these gift certificates will not be redeemable for cash.
• While family and youth memberships are available through this hobby shop program, no commissions will be paid for them at this time."
Mike
#2016
Here's a recap of the hobby shop program. We don't participate.
"• The program is designed to reward hobby-shop owners with $8.00 for each new adult and $6.00 for a senior member, $4.00 for each Introductory Membership (three-month trial) and $4.00 for each new Park Pilot Program member.
• Annually each store that participated in the program within a calendar year will be entered into a drawing for $1,000. The drawing will take place December 31.
• Each month all new members including Open, Senior, Park Pilot, 3 Month Trial and Youth will have one entry into a drawing for a $100 gift card to be spent at the store they purchased their AMA membership. AMA will provide the $100 to each store; these gift certificates will not be redeemable for cash.
• While family and youth memberships are available through this hobby shop program, no commissions will be paid for them at this time."
Mike
"• The program is designed to reward hobby-shop owners with $8.00 for each new adult and $6.00 for a senior member, $4.00 for each Introductory Membership (three-month trial) and $4.00 for each new Park Pilot Program member.
• Annually each store that participated in the program within a calendar year will be entered into a drawing for $1,000. The drawing will take place December 31.
• Each month all new members including Open, Senior, Park Pilot, 3 Month Trial and Youth will have one entry into a drawing for a $100 gift card to be spent at the store they purchased their AMA membership. AMA will provide the $100 to each store; these gift certificates will not be redeemable for cash.
• While family and youth memberships are available through this hobby shop program, no commissions will be paid for them at this time."
Mike
#2017
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You are correct, I think shops only got 8-10 bucks if that, Rcmike might know different as he works at a shop and they might have been part of that. If what some folks have said though is correct, that these people will never come to clubs and fly, never really be part of the whole club/ama thing, then I might venture a guess to say that this makes good business sense. Sort of like the guys at clubs that pay their full membership and only fly once or twice a year!
I guess I'm just asking "What's in it for them?"
#2018
#2019
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My Question is WHY? WHY would these DRONE (Quad) Flyers Especially want to join the AMA so they can pay some AMA Club MONEY for membership where they aren't really welcome by the O'l Farts flying TRADITIONAL Model air craft. Especially those that do DRONES with FPV. When U've seen one corn/bean field U've seen them all. Then there is the question of being told they have to fly a pattern with out being allowed to HOVER over the runway cause some O'L Fart thinks they need the runway for their high speed passes But everybody else can't do high speed passes over the runway because the club rules say all high speed passes will be done on the OTHER side of the runway. These guys don't need the expense and bother just to be regimented by any club rules.
I guess I'm just asking "What's in it for them?"
I guess I'm just asking "What's in it for them?"
One club I belong to has a good relationship with a toy store. The manager of the RC dept is a member of our club. He promotes the AMA (and makes his store some money), and gets a new member into our club (more members usually means good things right?). Win win so far. He takes care of the customers immediate needs, also benefits our club, and wouldn't you know, has a new customer that comes to him for future sales and service. That right there is called networking, requires that thing we've mentioned before called people skills, and really benefits all involved. Good news sometimes travels fast, and when that new customer/member talks to his friends, well guess what happens. Both entities enjoy the benefits. Remarkable eh? So along the concept of people skills, and news traveling fast, the club plays a vital role too. Is the club as you note, a bunch of 'ol farts flying a pattern with their Warbirds and J-3s (I added that last part). If that is what they are, and the membership is happy with that, fantastic. If they are losing members and wonder why nobody is joining anymore (and blaming kids and their lack of focus and they won't "build" and spend all day on computers) and complain about that...well that's another story. Or are they a club that opens it's arms to new members, and all disciplines of flying? I've visited clubs of both types. Guess which ones are more vibrant, and fun to fly at, and have no trouble keeping members, and have great events...etc etc etc.
Our club allows all types of flying. About 5 year back the old guard decided to boot out helis based on rumors and speculation, and even used supposed near misses and mid airs at other clubs as a reason to ban them. They played some games in doing so, but got exactly what they wanted, helis were out. Along with that went about 40 members. Oh, they were the ones who worked the events, always chipped in and helped out, did the cooking and parking and donations for raffle items. Poof....they were gone. That debacle was the reason I decided to get more involved and eventually run for office in the club, after being a noob to the hobby and the club of about 2 years. It took another two years, but after lots of hard work by many folks, the helis came back. They are a great addition to the club, and we were fortunate to bring them back, and give them their own flight line. MR of all types are welcome to fly there as well. Lots of folks in the club have fixed wing, helis, and quads. How silly would it be to tell them they can only fly 2 out of the three.
One big reason we have had at least 3 people who only flew MR join is the club itself, to have a place to go, have fun, learn how to fly and fly safely, and be part of a group that likes to have fun. There is a huge social component. Sure, some might get bored of flying there, but that could be said of anyone.
And just to be clear, clubs and their leadership have every right in the world to dictate their own destiny, to include or exclude whatever they want, as long as that is what the membership wants. If not, those that want change should step up and get involved, and work to effect that change they want. Or, join another club.
Oh, we fly gliders too! Because why not.
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#2020
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#2021
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Gosh, I suspect there are lots of reasons these folks want to join a club. I can given some specific examples, but I suspect there are more out there, would be nice to hear from some of those folks.
One club I belong to has a good relationship with a toy store. The manager of the RC dept is a member of our club. He promotes the AMA (and makes his store some money), and gets a new member into our club (more members usually means good things right?). Win win so far. He takes care of the customers immediate needs, also benefits our club, and wouldn't you know, has a new customer that comes to him for future sales and service. That right there is called networking, requires that thing we've mentioned before called people skills, and really benefits all involved. Good news sometimes travels fast, and when that new customer/member talks to his friends, well guess what happens. Both entities enjoy the benefits. Remarkable eh? So along the concept of people skills, and news traveling fast, the club plays a vital role too. Is the club as you note, a bunch of 'ol farts flying a pattern with their Warbirds and J-3s (I added that last part). If that is what they are, and the membership is happy with that, fantastic. If they are losing members and wonder why nobody is joining anymore (and blaming kids and their lack of focus and they won't "build" and spend all day on computers) and complain about that...well that's another story. Or are they a club that opens it's arms to new members, and all disciplines of flying? I've visited clubs of both types. Guess which ones are more vibrant, and fun to fly at, and have no trouble keeping members, and have great events...etc etc etc.
Our club allows all types of flying. About 5 year back the old guard decided to boot out helis based on rumors and speculation, and even used supposed near misses and mid airs at other clubs as a reason to ban them. They played some games in doing so, but got exactly what they wanted, helis were out. Along with that went about 40 members. Oh, they were the ones who worked the events, always chipped in and helped out, did the cooking and parking and donations for raffle items. Poof....they were gone. That debacle was the reason I decided to get more involved and eventually run for office in the club, after being a noob to the hobby and the club of about 2 years. It took another two years, but after lots of hard work by many folks, the helis came back. They are a great addition to the club, and we were fortunate to bring them back, and give them their own flight line. MR of all types are welcome to fly there as well. Lots of folks in the club have fixed wing, helis, and quads. How silly would it be to tell them they can only fly 2 out of the three.
One big reason we have had at least 3 people who only flew MR join is the club itself, to have a place to go, have fun, learn how to fly and fly safely, and be part of a group that likes to have fun. There is a huge social component. Sure, some might get bored of flying there, but that could be said of anyone.
And just to be clear, clubs and their leadership have every right in the world to dictate their own destiny, to include or exclude whatever they want, as long as that is what the membership wants. If not, those that want change should step up and get involved, and work to effect that change they want. Or, join another club.
Oh, we fly gliders too! Because why not.
One club I belong to has a good relationship with a toy store. The manager of the RC dept is a member of our club. He promotes the AMA (and makes his store some money), and gets a new member into our club (more members usually means good things right?). Win win so far. He takes care of the customers immediate needs, also benefits our club, and wouldn't you know, has a new customer that comes to him for future sales and service. That right there is called networking, requires that thing we've mentioned before called people skills, and really benefits all involved. Good news sometimes travels fast, and when that new customer/member talks to his friends, well guess what happens. Both entities enjoy the benefits. Remarkable eh? So along the concept of people skills, and news traveling fast, the club plays a vital role too. Is the club as you note, a bunch of 'ol farts flying a pattern with their Warbirds and J-3s (I added that last part). If that is what they are, and the membership is happy with that, fantastic. If they are losing members and wonder why nobody is joining anymore (and blaming kids and their lack of focus and they won't "build" and spend all day on computers) and complain about that...well that's another story. Or are they a club that opens it's arms to new members, and all disciplines of flying? I've visited clubs of both types. Guess which ones are more vibrant, and fun to fly at, and have no trouble keeping members, and have great events...etc etc etc.
Our club allows all types of flying. About 5 year back the old guard decided to boot out helis based on rumors and speculation, and even used supposed near misses and mid airs at other clubs as a reason to ban them. They played some games in doing so, but got exactly what they wanted, helis were out. Along with that went about 40 members. Oh, they were the ones who worked the events, always chipped in and helped out, did the cooking and parking and donations for raffle items. Poof....they were gone. That debacle was the reason I decided to get more involved and eventually run for office in the club, after being a noob to the hobby and the club of about 2 years. It took another two years, but after lots of hard work by many folks, the helis came back. They are a great addition to the club, and we were fortunate to bring them back, and give them their own flight line. MR of all types are welcome to fly there as well. Lots of folks in the club have fixed wing, helis, and quads. How silly would it be to tell them they can only fly 2 out of the three.
One big reason we have had at least 3 people who only flew MR join is the club itself, to have a place to go, have fun, learn how to fly and fly safely, and be part of a group that likes to have fun. There is a huge social component. Sure, some might get bored of flying there, but that could be said of anyone.
And just to be clear, clubs and their leadership have every right in the world to dictate their own destiny, to include or exclude whatever they want, as long as that is what the membership wants. If not, those that want change should step up and get involved, and work to effect that change they want. Or, join another club.
Oh, we fly gliders too! Because why not.
Really?????
Then why if all these people that might want to join a club Don't? There 170% more people flying some sort of R/C not in clubs than there are in all of the AMA? Every time I meet someone buying some sort of Flying R/C Toy I ask where they fly and about 2 out of 3 always say. OH down in this basin or out in the desert or in some park or on my farm, ETC. Then I ask them if they know about any of the many local R/C Clubs and fields. Maybe half do but will say we have more fun where we don't have to follow rules or They don't like us cause they've heard clubs are snotty, or another one it costs too much and i can fly (U Name it) for FREE. Again Just asking.
#2022
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Gosh, I suspect there are lots of reasons these folks want to join a club.
Really?????
Then why if all these people that might want to join a club Don't? There 170% more people flying some sort of R/C not in clubs than there are in all of the AMA? Every time I meet someone buying some sort of Flying R/C Toy I ask where they fly and about 2 out of 3 always say. OH down in this basin or out in the desert or in some park or on my farm, ETC. Then I ask them if they know about any of the many local R/C Clubs and fields. Maybe half do but will say we have more fun where we don't have to follow rules or They don't like us cause they've heard clubs are snotty, or another one it costs too much and i can fly (U Name it) for FREE. Again Just asking.
Really?????
Then why if all these people that might want to join a club Don't? There 170% more people flying some sort of R/C not in clubs than there are in all of the AMA? Every time I meet someone buying some sort of Flying R/C Toy I ask where they fly and about 2 out of 3 always say. OH down in this basin or out in the desert or in some park or on my farm, ETC. Then I ask them if they know about any of the many local R/C Clubs and fields. Maybe half do but will say we have more fun where we don't have to follow rules or They don't like us cause they've heard clubs are snotty, or another one it costs too much and i can fly (U Name it) for FREE. Again Just asking.
#2023
A individual walks in the store and asks about flying models. We discuss the the options. We talk about the local clubs were they can get flight instruction. Our club does not make anyone join the AMA or pay club dues until they come fly with us ( flights done with a instructor) to be sure the hobby is for them.
If the individual finds the hobby is next step is AMA ( there's a link on our club website) to do this. Then lastly Club Dues. Hitting a newbie with all that expense right off the bat will kill a prospective flyer at the point of sale. I'm sure every club is different but we are not by any means a normal club.
Now since the AMA does not have to issue our store a "kickback" we're saving the AMA (us) money.
Clear enough?
Mike
Last edited by rcmiket; 12-08-2015 at 06:22 AM.
#2024
My Feedback: (49)
Who said we hand them the information? We just don't bother submitting paperwork to the AMA using that program. Here's the scenario.
A individual walks in the store and asks about flying models. We discuss the the options. We talk about the local clubs were they can get flight instruction. Our club does not make anyone join the AMA or pay club dues until they come fly with us ( flights done with a instructor) to be sure the hobby is for them.
If the individual finds the hobby is next step is AMA ( there's a link on our club website) to do this. Then lastly Club Dues. Hitting a newbie with all that expense right off the bat will kill a prospective flyer at the point of sale. I'm sure every club is different but we are not by any means a normal club.
Now since the AMA does not have to issue our store a "kickback" we're saving the AMA (us) money.
Clear enough?
Mike
A individual walks in the store and asks about flying models. We discuss the the options. We talk about the local clubs were they can get flight instruction. Our club does not make anyone join the AMA or pay club dues until they come fly with us ( flights done with a instructor) to be sure the hobby is for them.
If the individual finds the hobby is next step is AMA ( there's a link on our club website) to do this. Then lastly Club Dues. Hitting a newbie with all that expense right off the bat will kill a prospective flyer at the point of sale. I'm sure every club is different but we are not by any means a normal club.
Now since the AMA does not have to issue our store a "kickback" we're saving the AMA (us) money.
Clear enough?
Mike
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