phlpsfrnk

How many RC clubs/individuals have a relationship with, or are acknowledged by, their local public use airport(s)?

Background:

AC 91-57 of June 1981 states; When flying aircraft within 3 miles of an airport, notify the airport operator, or when an air traffic facility is located at the airport, notify the control tower, or flight service station.

PL-112-95 SEC 336 of Feb, 2012 states; (a) (5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)).

FAA interpretation of PL-112-95 SEC 336 of Feb, 2012 states; the statute sets a requirement for model aircraft operating within 5 miles of an airport to notify the airport operator and control tower, where applicable, prior to operating. If the model aircraft operator provides notice of forthcoming operations which are then not authorized by air traffic or objected to by the airport operator, the FAA expects the model aircraft operator will not conduct the proposed flights

AMA Safety code of Jan, 2014 states; Model aircraft pilots will: Not fly higher than approximately 400 feet above ground level within three (3) miles of an airport without notifying the airport operator.

I did little research and came up with the list below. If you have had contact with your local airport operator please provide the airport identifier.

Airports that identify RC Model aircraft operations on or in the vicinity of[SUP]1[/SUP].
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Three
Character
Identifier
[/TD]
[TD]Airport Name
[/TD]
[TD]State
[/TD]
[TD]Lat / Long
[/TD]
[TD]Local Club
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]01G
[/TD]
[TD]Perry/Warsaw Airport
[/TD]
[TD]NY
[/TD]
[TD]42-44-28.9000N / 078-03-07.7000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]0B5
[/TD]
[TD]Turners Falls Airport (NC)
[/TD]
[TD]MA
[/TD]
[TD]42-35-29.8000N / 072-31-22.8000W
[/TD]
[TD]FCRCC
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]11V
[/TD]
[TD]Greeley Easton (Valley View)
[/TD]
[TD]CO
[/TD]
[TD]40-19-38.4850N / 104-36-33.8200W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1R7
[/TD]
[TD]Brookhaven-Lincoln Co
[/TD]
[TD]MS
[/TD]
[TD]31-36-21.0000N / 090-24-33.5000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]27C
[/TD]
[TD]Mecosta Morton
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]43-37-45.0970N / 085-15-45.1290W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]33C
[/TD]
[TD]Jablonski (NC)
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]43-04-56.0700N / 086-05-41.1800W
[/TD]
[TD]Grand Valley RC
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]34U
[/TD]
[TD]Yuba (UAV activity)
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]44-50-20.0080N / 085-25-52.2530W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]38C
[/TD]
[TD]Stanwood Cain Fld
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]43-36-00.0880N / 085-29-35.1560W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3GM
[/TD]
[TD]Grand Haven
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]43-02-02.6000N / 086-11-53.4000W
[/TD]
[TD]Tri Cities R/C Flyers
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]40C
[/TD]
[TD]Watervliet Muni
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]42-12-00.1370N / 086-15-00.0800W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4K3
[/TD]
[TD]Lexington Muni
[/TD]
[TD]MO
[/TD]
[TD]39-12-35.6000N / 093-55-39.8000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4Y4
[/TD]
[TD]Lakes of the North
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]44-54-42.5000N / 084-52-31.2200W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]53W
[/TD]
[TD]Winn Woodruff Lake
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]43-33-16.1000N / 084-58-42.8000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]59M
[/TD]
[TD]Tourchport
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]45-03-21.0100N / 085-21-21.2590W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]60G
[/TD]
[TD]Skyway Estates Airport
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]42-35-01.7100N / 084-39-05.3300W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6D7
[/TD]
[TD]Deshler Muni
[/TD]
[TD]OH
[/TD]
[TD]41-12-57.1830N / 083-52-27.7820W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6K2
[/TD]
[TD]Shelby Co
[/TD]
[TD]MO
[/TD]
[TD]39-48-45.2400N / 092-03-00.7800W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7D3
[/TD]
[TD]Baldwin
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]43-52-31.9283N / 085-50-31.4970W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]AWO
[/TD]
[TD]Arlington Muni
[/TD]
[TD]WA
[/TD]
[TD]48-09-38.7000N / 122-09-32.5000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]C04
[/TD]
[TD]Oceana Co
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]43-38-29.8850N / 086-19-44.6355W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]C91
[/TD]
[TD]Dowagiac Muni
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]41-59-34.5000N / 086-07-41.8000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]CNO
[/TD]
[TD]Chino
[/TD]
[TD]CA
[/TD]
[TD]33-58-29.2055N / 117-38-11.3382W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]EMT
[/TD]
[TD]El Monte (NC)
[/TD]
[TD]CA
[/TD]
[TD]34-05-09.6320N / 118-02-05.4430W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]FKS
[/TD]
[TD]Frankfort Dow Mem Fld
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]44-37-30.7900N / 086-12-02.9100W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]GZS
[/TD]
[TD]Abernathy Field
[/TD]
[TD]TN
[/TD]
[TD]35-09-14.7000N / 087-03-25.4000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]JYO
[/TD]
[TD]Leesburg Exec (NC)
[/TD]
[TD]VA
[/TD]
[TD]39-04-40.7000N / 077-33-27.0000W
[/TD]
[TD]LCAA
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]K63
[/TD]
[TD]Council Grove Muni
[/TD]
[TD]KS
[/TD]
[TD]38-40-35.3000N / 096-34-21.9000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LWM
[/TD]
[TD]Lawrence Muni
[/TD]
[TD]MA
[/TD]
[TD]42-43-01.9000N / 071-07-24.3000W
[/TD]
[TD]MMAA
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SNA
[/TD]
[TD]John Wayne – Orange Co (NC)
[/TD]
[TD]CA
[/TD]
[TD]33-40-32.4000N / 117-52-05.6000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TOA
[/TD]
[TD]Zamperini Field Airport (NC)
[/TD]
[TD]CA
[/TD]
[TD]33-48-12.2000N / 118-20-22.6000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]VNY
[/TD]
[TD]Van Nuys (NC)
[/TD]
[TD]CA
[/TD]
[TD]34-12-35.3000N / 118-29-23.9000W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Y87
[/TD]
[TD]Empire Airport
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]44-47-14.9920N / 086-00-15.3290W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Y88
[/TD]
[TD]Green Lake
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]44-36-22.0050N / 085-45-30.2740W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Y91
[/TD]
[TD]Lake City Homes Acres Sky Ranch
[/TD]
[TD]MI
[/TD]
[TD]44-19-13.0360N / 085-10-16.1560W
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 4"]NC indicates Not Commented (NC) in the airport additional remarks section
[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[SUP]1 [/SUP]Source: http://vfrmap.com/

Frank

JohnShe

Leesburg Exec
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]FAA Identifier: [/TD]
[TD]JYO
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]Lat/Long: [/TD]
[TD]39-04-40.7000N / 077-33-27.0000W
39-04.678333N / 077-33.450000W
39.0779722 / -77.5575000
(estimated)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]Elevation: [/TD]
[TD]389.7 ft. / 119 m (estimated)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]Variation: [/TD]
[TD]10W (1995)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]From city: [/TD]
[TD]3 miles S of LEESBURG, VA
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]Time zone: [/TD]
[TD]UTC -5 (UTC -4 during Daylight Saving Time)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]Zip code:



[/TD]
[TD]20175

Our club leadership established a relationship with them.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

phlpsfrnk

John,
You did not mention your clubs name but the only one I could locate in the area is 3.88 miles SW of JYO. Is that correct?

Frank

JohnShe

Loudoun County Aeromodelers Association (LCAA), http://www.lcaa.org/

I'm not sure of the distance but it sounds about right. We were outside the 3 mile limit and did not need to establish a relationship until the law changed.

phlpsfrnk

John,
I updated my list. Because of the distance I assume they did not see the need to mention Model aircraft in the airport remarks section.

Frank

JohnShe

The map may be out of date. The cow pasture runway on route 50 (Glascock) is closed down. They are starting to build McMansions there.

There is another cow pasture runway (Goose Hunt) that seems to be close to us. But we don't need to establish a relationship with them, as I read the FAA specs on airport size.

phlpsfrnk

Updated table based on post #13;

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...l#post12020060

Frank

MajorTomski

Frank, I'm a little confused as to exactly what you are asking for. The reason for my confusion, in the greater Oklahoma City Metro Area there are 9 RC flying fields 7 of them fall within the five statute mile radius of 9 regional or private airports. Two of the clubs each fall under the trafic areas of two separate airports.

I know of only two clubs that have written to one airport; Wiley Post Airport (PWA) advising them of their locations and operations. Neither club has received any acknowledgement back from the airport. Adding to your list:

[TABLE="width: 820"]
[TR]
[TD]3 Char Ident
[/TD]
[TD]Airport Name
[/TD]
[TD]State
[/TD]
[TD]Lat / Long
[/TD]
[TD]CLUBS in Area
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]PWA
[/TD]
[TD]Wiley Post Airport
[/TD]
[TD]OK
[/TD]
[TD]
35-32-03.0000N / 097-38-49.4000W

[/TD]
[TD]

TORKS AMA 1648
MVAA AMA 1936


[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]0OK6
[/TD]
[TD]ELLIS
[/TD]
[TD]OK
[/TD]
[TD]35-48-06.1840N / 097-23-10.1390W
[/TD]
[TD]OK Sooner Sqn AMA5104 Club flys on land adjacent to the private airport with strict operating restrictions.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]GOK
[/TD]
[TD]Guthrie-Edmond Regional
[/TD]
[TD]OK
[/TD]
[TD]35-51-05.4818N / 097-24-58.2392W
[/TD]
[TD]OK Sooner Sqn AMA5104
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]RCE
[/TD]
[TD]Clarence E Page Muni
[/TD]
[TD]OK
[/TD]
[TD]35-29-17.1000N / 097-49-24.8000W
[/TD]
[TD]Westside RC AMA 1023
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TIK
[/TD]
[TD]Tinker AFB
[/TD]
[TD]OK
[/TD]
[TD]
35-24-53.1000N / 097-23-11.9000W

[/TD]
[TD]
Baxter Field AMA1777

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]OUN


[/TD]
[TD]Univ. of OK Westheimer


[/TD]
[TD]OK


[/TD]
[TD]35-14-44.0000N / 097-28-19.7000W


[/TD]
[TD]CORKS AMA 1469


[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]99F
[/TD]
[TD]El Reno
[/TD]
[TD]OK
[/TD]
[TD]35-31-00.1870N / 097-58-46.1790W
[/TD]
[TD]City run flying field no associate club
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]RQO
[/TD]
[TD]El Reno Regional
[/TD]
[TD]OK
[/TD]
[TD]35-28-21.8193N / 098-00-21.0823W
[/TD]
[TD]City run flying field no associate club
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]OKC
[/TD]
[TD]Will Rogers World Airport
[/TD]
[TD]OK
[/TD]
[TD]35-23-35.0665N / 097-36-02.7422W
[/TD]
[TD]Collective RC AMA 4902
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

phlpsfrnk

MajorTom,
In a recent discussion it was mentioned that a model aircraft field was marked on an aviation sectional map. I was curious and looked up the nearby airports in the airport directory http://www.airnav.com/airports/ and found the model aircraft activity mentioned in the additional remarks section. I did a little research and found several more airports that mentioned modeling activity. I thought it might be interesting to put together an informal list of airport relationships. To me notifying nearby airports of modeling activity location is a good thing. I would not be too concerned if acknowledgement is returned or not. Only if there were an issue would further contact be necessary.

I did find one that I’m very curious about. Looking up GDM Gardner, Ma the remarks say “NO RADIO A/C ON AND IN VCTNY OF A/P”. I’d be very interested in the back story to why that is there If anyone in that area knows.

I’ll add PWA to the list. Thanks for your input.

Frank

MajorTomski

“NO RADIO A/C ON AND IN VCTNY OF A/P” i.e an aircraft or multiple aircraft that are based at the airport do not have radios. So the approaching visiting pilot could see an airplane taxi out for take off or in the traffic pattern with him that is not talking on the local common radio frequency.

The remarks that go on airport diagrams are based solely on the input from the flying public. For example Reese Airport on the south edge of the AMA national site doesn't say a thing about intense model aviation UNDER the traffic pattern for runway 27. I think the AMA asks the FAA to publish a NOTAM to that effect during contests but that's a notam and not an airport remark.

Remarks on sectionals and airport diagrams can be added by contacting these folks: http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/

They own and control the master databases that ALL us domestic aviation charts are made from. All that AIRNAV and JEPSEN do is republish and occasionally reformat the data provided by FAA Air traffic.

Ironically the FAA published its very last paper sectional yesterday: https://my.faa.gov/focus/articles/20...roadcast-focus.

So if someone would actually LIKE to have their RC activity reported on an airport diagram/comments all you have to do is submit forms on the above page.

My part of the FAA is "Flight Check" we make sure the stuff printed/published in the charts is correct.

phlpsfrnk

Okay, I should have remembered that from my flight training. I totally misread that being focused on models when I was looking at the directory. I guess I was the reader determined to misinterpret what I was reading. Good information on the master data base, thanks for the link.

Frank

DocYates

My Feedback: (102)

Up until recently I had a very good relationship with a local airport which allowed me to fly my jets there. I was up there last weekend to fly and went up to the operator of the FBO as asked about flying for a while. He said that recently the local FAA rep had been by the airport and there was a young guy flying RC there. The FAA rep asked about "why" the RC flier was being allowed to fly, and "how long" this had been allowed to go on, and the FBO operator said he told him "about 10 years". The FAA guy got mad, went to his car and came back with a document that said all RC flying at any airport was not allowed, and none would be conducted over 400' high within 5 miles of any airport. Sadly, he could not let me fly. he and I both agreed that it was not illegal, and it would not harm anything since there is little to no traffic at this airport, but he is obliged to do as they say since he likely gets funds from the government. So looks like another opportunity has been wasted, since this was a great location, with a good man who ran the airport, who loved RC. I did not bring it up at all to the FBO operator, but the first thing he tells me was "ya'll have nobody to blame but those drones"....I swear, and he said just like this, but he is from south TN. He told me this and claims that the FAA said this has been a "law" since 2012.

DocYates

My Feedback: (102)

It is obvious that the FAA are not on the same page. Some over extend their influence and are misinterpreting the guidelines, even confusing them with "law", but they exert enough influence to scare the local airport directors into preventing us to use the facilities, despite an excellent record and the use of handheld radios to watch for traffic.

TimJ

KCNO, Chino. We have a great working relationship with the Tower Manager.

Our current president has managed to get the field marked on nav charts. The field is usually on ATIS recording for the airport as well.

littlecrankshaf

My Feedback: (58)

Yea them FAA guys love to throw it around whenever they can...

combatpigg

My Feedback: (3)

Within the city limits of Arlington, RC flying of any sort is illegal. On the flip side, the airport has set aside a nicely mowed field for control line flyers. I fly just south of city limits and the airport has warned all local pilots about my "operations".
LOL.

littlecrankshaf

My Feedback: (58)

How unfortunate the city would be so alarmed to take such a position... Did they have a few do-good staunch AMA supporters give them the "talk" about all the dangers of R/C modeling there too?

combatpigg

My Feedback: (3)

Why don't YOU ask them that question if you are GENUINELY so curious...?

littlecrankshaf

My Feedback: (58)

Thought maybe, just maybe you knew something about that.... Of course it doesn't take a genius to figure out how THEY would respond.., absolutely worthless to suggest asking them. Sort of like asking the current administration about the state of affairs of our country.... Just more BS...

combatpigg

My Feedback: (3)

LCS, just to be sure you aren't just "trolling" by going to the trouble to post my quote out of context and insinuate that I'm responsible for informing the city about all of the dangers of RC aviation.....here is their phone number 360-403-3470.
Ask for Tim the airport manager.
I have lived here for 25 years and did not know about the ban on RC aviation within the city limits until I paid them a visit a couple months ago. I was there to complain about a rash epidemic of low flying full scale pilots who have been making a point of flying over my air field at 200 feet or less.

littlecrankshaf

My Feedback: (58)

A little bit sensitive aren't we... Any quote of your's recently was fully capable of standing on its on merits and not "out of context" even in the slightest. As far as any insinuation you feel I made is purely of your own imagination or manufactured to further an agenda to discredit my response as an attempt of "trolling"...which BTW is such an over used junior high term nowadays IMO...

I simply thought you may have some knowledge in which to further enlighten us about your interjection of the city's ban and possibly why the city has reacted in the way they have. Not at all sure now exactly why you told us about your city's ban on RC in the first place...you must have had some reason...maybe not...either way, its more your concern and if that's the way you like it, so be it...But as you pointed out...you were clueless...and seem content to stay that way... carry on...sorry I asked....

phlpsfrnk

Doc,
I'd be very interested in what document that was. Did the FBO have a copy or a document number?

Frank

DocYates

My Feedback: (102)

phlpsfrnk,
I would have been interested as well, but the A/P manager did not know. Said he was handed the paper by the "official" and told it was illegal since 2012, and then threatened that the airport would not receive any monies if it was found to be in contempt of the order. The A/P manager said he had no choice. He is an advocate of R/C, a nice guy, and you could tell he did not like having to do this, but he said his hands are tied by the "ruling". We all know it is BS, and being used by some government hack who is wanting to throw his weight around. In the ten years I have flown out of that airport I have seen nothing but safety conscious fliers who respected the field, the full scale fliers, and the right to fly there.

phlpsfrnk

Doc,
Was it Abernathy Field (GZS) to your NE? GZS currently states "INTMT RADIO CONTROLLED ACFT OPERATIONS AFTERNOONS & WEEKENDS."

Frank

DocYates

My Feedback: (102)

Yep, it was Abernathy Field, located in Pulaski. Wide open and a great place to fly. It is used for very little for full scale, but even when it is used, you can see them coming for miles.