astrohog

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My focus is not on the FAA. The hobby I participate in has existed without FAA intervention for many decades. My focus is on the AMA. The AMA can define model aviation however it's membership sees fit. The FAA does NOT define who the AMA chooses to invite into their ranks and advocate for.

I never said anything about "removing MR's from the rest of model aviation" LOL

Astro

astrohog

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Let me help you Porcia! Here is a definition of a model: (and it doesn't really describe MOST drones)

mod·el
ˈmädl/
noun
noun: model; plural noun: models
1.
a three-dimensional representation of a person or thing or of a proposed structure, typically on a smaller scale than the original.
"a model of St. Paul's Cathedral"
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[TD]replica, copy, representation, mock-up, dummy, imitation, duplicate, reproduction, facsimile [/TD]
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Not too hard for most of us to wrap our heads around, "traditional model aviation" I am sorry you are having such a hard time with it! Maybe YOU should try a little harder! LOL

Astro

rcmiket

Thanks you beat me to it.
Mike

Chris P. Bacon

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Above in red.

Chris P. Bacon

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Donald, is that you?

Chris P. Bacon

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Ignorance is bliss....

Chris P. Bacon

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That's classic! The FAA has already defined model aircraft operations, but since you cannot understand it you come up with your own defintion. Have you considered a full-time career in polotics?

astrohog

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"common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"

-Albert Einstein-

astrohog

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You are a happy man!

astrohog

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what is this term, "polotics" you speak of?

Sounds like an elitist sport utilizing horses that are infested with parasites! LOL

Astro

Chris P. Bacon

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Wow, Astro, full-on fanboy droning with no real substance, as usual. Racking up those fanboy points! I hope your sponsor takes notice.


drone
drōn/
verb
gerund or present participle: droning

• make a continuous low humming sound.
  "in the far distance a machine droned"
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  [TD]hum, buzz, whirr, vibrate, murmur, rumble, purr "a plane droned overhead"
  
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  • speak tediously in a dull monotonous tone.
    "he reached for another beer while astrohog droned on"
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    [TD]speak boringly, go on and on, talk at length; Moreintone, pontificate;
    informalspout, sound off, jaw, spiel, speechify, bloviate
    "astrohog droned on about right and wrong"
    
    
    
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  • move with a continuous humming sound.
    "traffic droned up and down the street"
  
  
  
  

islandflyer

Originally Posted by astrohog
And how are 200 mph jets a threat to public safety? Please explain!

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Common sense.

http://www.oregonlive.com/forest-gro...crash_spa.html

Did you just crawl out from under a rock? That is precisely what is happening right now!

The only thing happening now is those taking advantage of it in order to protect their vested financial interests. I hope you sponsor is giving you brownie points for this.

Astro



Above in red.

Gratuitous statement! It only fair to ask YOU this time for evidence to back any of that red ink. Any supporting documents, evidence, etc?

Chris P. Bacon

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Are you acknowledging astrohog is a PAU sponsored pilot?

Silent-AV8R

The EC meeting Minutes are published and available on the AMA website. They are usually sort of boring, but sometimes you can find interesting little nuggets of information in them.

Silent-AV8R

Well, to be accurate, the definition of model aircraft was codified in P.L. 112-95, Section 336. The FAA merely repeats that definition in the current AC 91-57A and in their proposed FAR 101.41

islandflyer

double post

islandflyer

Absolutely not! He is not.
But as usual, you made a statement with no fact to back it up, while putting my facts into doubt repeatedly.
It IS a verifiable fact that I go to many events around the country, and speak to many people there, including AMA members and various people involved in Aeromodeling businesses: you can see for yourself all over other more interesting sites covering the events like XFC, Joe Nall, Tucson Aerobatic Shootout, Clover Creek Championship, various Huckfests and other more informal gatherings.
Just like I have stated clearly that drone sales are absolutely not in direct competition with Giant Scale aircraft sales (that is absolutely not my worry). You have made that statement repeatedly too, but we have never seen any evidence to back up your statement. I have also stated many times that I have not seen here an anti-drone position. The issue is only AMA's wide inclusion of drones, whereas many of us wish the AMA would invite the drone operators to crate their own association, and would rededicate themselves to representing us, the modelers who created the AMA in the first place, supported it financially for all these years, and voted for the leaders who are currently leading the association in what we feel is the wrong direction.

Chris P. Bacon

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You have a vested financial interest in selling fixed wing aircraft. As such, it would be in your best financial interest to prevent competition. It's business 101, enough said.

Chris P. Bacon

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I certainly hope not, but he's never denied being a rep either. I'd never considering purchasing a product from a company who's rep talks to potential customers the way he does. Of course, that's business 101 too.

islandflyer

Not a rep.

Drones are simply not in competition with what we produce. No more so than kites, gliders, helicopters, or any other hobby...and I never questioned whether any of these belong in the AMA!

"Of course, that's business 101 too" You might consider moving up to business 102 or even 201 to understand that.

Your dedication to questioning my ulterior motives are simply baseless. My motivations are the same as those of Silent Flyer, and that is what I posted from the start (who is not a sponsored pilot, or rep!). I never deviated from that, in spite of all the meandering baseless theories formulated to discredit what I and anyone sharing my views have expressed here regarding AMA's position vis-a-vis drones. That REALLY is the only concern.
I absolutely don't care how many drones are sold or flown, as long as it done outside of the AMA, so that if and when regulation comes targeting drones, we are not adversely affected. THAT IS MY (OUR) ONLY CONCERN. And I summize that the only chance we have for this to happen, is that a clear difference is formulated and advocated by the AMA when they represent us in front of the media, the law makers and the public.

rcmiket

In the for what it's worth category.

Based on my first hand experience as a retailer ( I know some think that it means nothing) 99% of the "drones" we sell (and trust me its a bunch) the owners will never become modelers as we know it. When we mention "suggested flying locations and suggested rules" they could care less. The thought of joining the AMA or a local club is looked on as a added expense they want no part of. The 1% are being bought by traditional modelers who are already AMA and club members.

Mike

Chris P. Bacon

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You're entitled to your own opinion and so am I.

Chris P. Bacon

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So if they are detrimental to the hobby, why are you selling them?

rcmiket

Only in the hands of idiots are they detrimental and we have absolutely no control over who's a idiot and who's not.. Do I think it;s "traditional " modeling ,no, If they banded them tomorrow ( which they won't) I would lose one wink of sleep over it.

Mike

Silent-AV8R

I think I see the core of the issue here. You apparently think that we are saying that MR, etc. are detrimental to the hobby. That is categorically NOT what I am saying. What I am saying, and I think many others as well, is that lumping THAT hobby with OUR hobby is causing our hobby problems. MR/aerial camera platforms are very cool and can be an amazing hobby in their own right. However, it is NOT the hobby we mostly all enjoy. It is NOT model airplanes.

Yes, by the Section 336 they are considered model aircraft for the sake of regulations, just like a golf cart is considered a motor vehicle by the DMV, but I think most of you can see the difference between a golf cart and the family truckster!!

What I am saying is that by not making a clear distinction between our hobby and their hobby we are paying the price for all the bad actors who will never have an interest in model aviation like we have. What is so difficult to understand about that concept ??

Estimates show that perhaps as many as 750,000 MR camera platforms were sold in the US in 2014 alone. That does not include the toy market. AMA has seen a modest increase in membership, maybe 10,000 or so, if that. So maybe 1% of the drone owners cared enough to join the AMA, which also means that 99% of them are likely not to give one wit about our rules for safe operation, or even know about them.