What is Traditional RC modeling?
10-21-2015, 04:02 AM
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Well Tom , there ya go , none other than the AMA itself has just used the descriptor "Traditional Model Aircraft" not once but twice in their latest Email referring to the DOT announcement ! Isn't that great ? The AMA believes there IS a distinction between a Traditional Model Aircraft VS , a , , what ? HMmm , what might the AMA be trying to differentiate a Traditional Model Aircraft from ? ....... Well , me personally , I think the AMA is finally attempting to put a bit of distance between a Traditional Model Aircraft and a "DRONE" , just wee bit late in the game for my liking , but some healthy distance may be just what the hobby needs to survive another 80 years . The flying camera crew will have to find some other movable platform to mount their cameras to , and good ol regular Traditional Model Aircraft flying can finally get back to the business of having fun ......
10-21-2015, 05:07 AM
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Well Tom , there ya go , none other than the AMA itself has just used the descriptor "Traditional Model Aircraft" not once but twice in their latest Email referring to the DOT announcement ! Isn't that great ? The AMA believes there IS a distinction between a Traditional Model Aircraft VS , a , , what ? HMmm , what might the AMA be trying to differentiate a Traditional Model Aircraft from ? ....... Well , me personally , I think the AMA is finally attempting to put a bit of distance between a Traditional Model Aircraft and a "DRONE" , just wee bit late in the game for my liking , but some healthy distance may be just what the hobby needs to survive another 80 years . The flying camera crew will have to find some other movable platform to mount their cameras to , and good ol regular Traditional Model Aircraft flying can finally get back to the business of having fun ......Mike
10-21-2015, 06:24 AM
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Well Tom , there ya go , none other than the AMA itself has just used the descriptor "Traditional Model Aircraft" not once but twice in their latest Email referring to the DOT announcement ! Isn't that great ? The AMA believes there IS a distinction between a Traditional Model Aircraft VS , a , , what ? HMmm , what might the AMA be trying to differentiate a Traditional Model Aircraft from ? ....... Well , me personally , I think the AMA is finally attempting to put a bit of distance between a Traditional Model Aircraft and a "DRONE" , just wee bit late in the game for my liking , but some healthy distance may be just what the hobby needs to survive another 80 years . The flying camera crew will have to find some other movable platform to mount their cameras to , and good ol regular Traditional Model Aircraft flying can finally get back to the business of having fun ......Rich Hanson also use the term "Traditional Modeler" in his presentation at the hearing a couple of weeks ago.
Of course, you can expect Tom and Crispy Ace to spin this too....
I just came back from the Tucson Shootout, and they must be all dumb over there too, because all of the 20 + pilots and RC business related people I spoke with are also quite upset with the AMA's path toward the Drone love affair (or rather courtship, as it is not reciprocated), and all are actively voicing their discontent with their respective AMA VP's.
10-21-2015, 06:46 AM
#134
Well said.
Rich Hanson also use the term "Traditional Modeler" in his presentation at the hearing a couple of weeks ago.
Of course, you can expect Tom and Crispy Ace to spin this too....
I just came back from the Tucson Shootout, and they must be all dumb over there too, because all of the 20 + pilots and RC business related people I spoke with are also quite upset with the AMA's path toward the Drone love affair (or rather courtship, as it is not reciprocated), and all are actively voicing their discontent with their respective AMA VP's.
Rich Hanson also use the term "Traditional Modeler" in his presentation at the hearing a couple of weeks ago.
Of course, you can expect Tom and Crispy Ace to spin this too....
I just came back from the Tucson Shootout, and they must be all dumb over there too, because all of the 20 + pilots and RC business related people I spoke with are also quite upset with the AMA's path toward the Drone love affair (or rather courtship, as it is not reciprocated), and all are actively voicing their discontent with their respective AMA VP's.
Thank You guys for the support , yes indeed , Combatpigg has been right there along with myself and others calling for a distinction to be made between us VS them (traditional VS drone) from the beginning of all this and it seems the AMA has finally "seen the light" . This politically correct BS of calling us out cause we don't and won't accept this drone business as part of our hobby has led us to the very brink of what all "thinking" folks have feared from the beginning ; Being lumped in with the drones for any and all regulation they are about to be subject to ! So yes Tom , in print for all to see , we fly Traditional Model Aircraft and quite obviously , a Drone most certainly IS a separate animal alltogether .
Need proof ? Just read the most recent AMA email to hit your inbox .........
10-21-2015, 08:43 AM
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Thank You guys for the support , yes indeed , Combatpigg has been right there along with myself and others calling for a distinction to be made between us VS them (traditional VS drone) from the beginning of all this and it seems the AMA has finally "seen the light" . This politically correct BS of calling us out cause we don't and won't accept this drone business as part of our hobby has led us to the very brink of what all "thinking" folks have feared from the beginning ; Being lumped in with the drones for any and all regulation they are about to be subject to ! So yes Tom , in print for all to see , we fly Traditional Model Aircraft and quite obviously , a Drone most certainly IS a separate animal alltogether .
Need proof ? Just read the most recent AMA email to hit your inbox .........
Astro
10-21-2015, 08:50 AM
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Well Tom , there ya go , none other than the AMA itself has just used the descriptor "Traditional Model Aircraft" not once but twice in their latest Email referring to the DOT announcement ! Isn't that great ? The AMA believes there IS a distinction between a Traditional Model Aircraft VS , a , , what ? HMmm , what might the AMA be trying to differentiate a Traditional Model Aircraft from ? ....... Well , me personally , I think the AMA is finally attempting to put a bit of distance between a Traditional Model Aircraft and a "DRONE" , just wee bit late in the game for my liking , but some healthy distance may be just what the hobby needs to survive another 80 years . The flying camera crew will have to find some other movable platform to mount their cameras to , and good ol regular Traditional Model Aircraft flying can finally get back to the business of having fun ......
10-21-2015, 09:04 AM
#138
Originally Posted by init4fun 
Thank You guys for the support , yes indeed , Combatpigg has been right there along with myself and others calling for a distinction to be made between us VS them (traditional VS drone) from the beginning of all this and it seems the AMA has finally "seen the light" . This politically correct BS of calling us out cause we don't and won't accept this drone business as part of our hobby has led us to the very brink of what all "thinking" folks have feared from the beginning ; Being lumped in with the drones for any and all regulation they are about to be subject to ! So yes Tom , in print for all to see , we fly Traditional Model Aircraft and quite obviously , a Drone most certainly IS a separate animal alltogether .
Need proof ? Just read the most recent AMA email to hit your inbox .........
Again blame the "GUN" instead the person that pulled the trigger. It's the Guns fault it was used to kill. The problem is not the Quads (Drones) but the people that fly them where and when they aren't allowed to be flowen. But NO we won't educate and/or prosecute the perpetrator, we'll just ban the ownership and use of things deemed to be a hazard to the general public. Then there ar those here that would go along with anything that doesn't include them and the way they have always Flown R/C ie Traditional R/C. What U going to do when the next president uses Executive order to eliminate the 2nd amendment, And this is coming as sure as Sun Down and Sun Rise. When are we going to say Enough is Enough and stand up and be counted.
"This is my Opinion and it ain't Humble".
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10-21-2015, 09:32 AM
#139
Hound Dog...the Idealist Mentality is what has delivered us to where we are today, while the Realists watch the events unfold in disgust and with not much left to say to The Idealists but "I Told You So"..
At this point, the only lame excuse that The Idealists can offer in their own defense is "Well, this was going to happen no matter what we tried to do or not...so prove otherwise."
At this point, the only lame excuse that The Idealists can offer in their own defense is "Well, this was going to happen no matter what we tried to do or not...so prove otherwise."
10-21-2015, 10:04 AM
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Hound Dog...the Idealist Mentality is what has delivered us to where we are today, while the Realists watch the events unfold in disgust and with not much left to say to The Idealists but "I Told You So"..
At this point, the only lame excuse that The Idealists can offer in their own defense is "Well, this was going to happen no matter what we tried to do or not...so prove otherwise."
At this point, the only lame excuse that The Idealists can offer in their own defense is "Well, this was going to happen no matter what we tried to do or not...so prove otherwise."
What I'm trying to get across to all is hat it's time to stand up and fight the masses to stop blaming a an inanimate object as a whole and put blame where it belongs on the Individual. If U feel that this is beyond the peoples capability, Well then All is LOST and we are done as a country.
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3. From courage to liberty;
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10-21-2015, 10:57 AM
#143
WOW! treading on thin Ice here but A couple of questions?
1, The Devil is in the details PLZ explain what U mean " Traditional RC is the "devil".
2. Why post here if U despise Traditional RC?
3. What R/C do U fly if any?
4 U were making a "FUNNY" with that statement RIGHT?
1, The Devil is in the details PLZ explain what U mean " Traditional RC is the "devil".
2. Why post here if U despise Traditional RC?
3. What R/C do U fly if any?
4 U were making a "FUNNY" with that statement RIGHT?
10-21-2015, 12:35 PM
#144
Hey guys,
I'm glad some of you have found the recent comments by Hanson in line with your own thoughts in terms of what "traditional" modeling is, although I don't recall him actually defining that, just mentioning the phrase. And I'm glad that some feel their own opinions are validated by others, thereby somehow confirming their own beliefs. Great. If nothing else was accomplished it looks like some were pleased with what they heard from the AMA's Hanson in his comments. What a pleasant change. Nonetheless, here is what I had noted at the start of this thread:
But for the purposes of this thread, I'm asking, what is your opinion of "traditional RC modeling". Not looking to debate it, question it, say it wrong or right, etc etc, and hope others will do the same as well as commenting. Hoping this doesn't go the way of other threads dealing with broader issues.
Wasn't looking to debate it, second guess it, or say it was write or wrong. Was just asking for each persons opinions. Nonetheless some still took this (and still do) as a chance to inject drama into the thread. Sorry to disappoint Island, there is no spin etc forthcoming. I haven't disagreed with anyone's comments regarding the question, and don't plan to. The goal wasn't to start a whole political discussion either, nor continue a talk about rallying support for each persons opinions. It was a simple question. That's all it was.
I'm glad some of you have found the recent comments by Hanson in line with your own thoughts in terms of what "traditional" modeling is, although I don't recall him actually defining that, just mentioning the phrase. And I'm glad that some feel their own opinions are validated by others, thereby somehow confirming their own beliefs. Great. If nothing else was accomplished it looks like some were pleased with what they heard from the AMA's Hanson in his comments. What a pleasant change. Nonetheless, here is what I had noted at the start of this thread:
But for the purposes of this thread, I'm asking, what is your opinion of "traditional RC modeling". Not looking to debate it, question it, say it wrong or right, etc etc, and hope others will do the same as well as commenting. Hoping this doesn't go the way of other threads dealing with broader issues.
Wasn't looking to debate it, second guess it, or say it was write or wrong. Was just asking for each persons opinions. Nonetheless some still took this (and still do) as a chance to inject drama into the thread. Sorry to disappoint Island, there is no spin etc forthcoming. I haven't disagreed with anyone's comments regarding the question, and don't plan to. The goal wasn't to start a whole political discussion either, nor continue a talk about rallying support for each persons opinions. It was a simple question. That's all it was.
10-21-2015, 12:48 PM
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+1 I don't want anything banned.I also don't believe registration will work either.
I also think the AMA has bit off more than it can chew on this one and it will cost us dearly.
We the traditional modeler will pay the price for a group that has no intentions of joining our ranks in the first place.
Mike
I also think the AMA has bit off more than it can chew on this one and it will cost us dearly.
We the traditional modeler will pay the price for a group that has no intentions of joining our ranks in the first place.
Mike
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10-21-2015, 02:37 PM
#146
+1 I don't want anything banned.I also don't believe registration will work either.
I also think the AMA has bit off more than it can chew on this one and it will cost us dearly.
We the traditional modeler will pay the price for a group that has no intentions of joining our ranks in the first place.
Mike
I also think the AMA has bit off more than it can chew on this one and it will cost us dearly.
We the traditional modeler will pay the price for a group that has no intentions of joining our ranks in the first place.
Mike
10-21-2015, 02:56 PM
#147
Originally Posted by init4fun Thank You guys for the support , yes indeed , Combatpigg has been right there along with myself and others calling for a distinction to be made between us VS them (traditional VS drone) from the beginning of all this and it seems the AMA has finally "seen the light" . This politically correct BS of calling us out cause we don't and won't accept this drone business as part of our hobby has led us to the very brink of what all "thinking" folks have feared from the beginning ; Being lumped in with the drones for any and all regulation they are about to be subject to ! So yes Tom , in print for all to see , we fly Traditional Model Aircraft and quite obviously , a Drone most certainly IS a separate animal alltogether .
Need proof ? Just read the most recent AMA email to hit your inbox .........
Again blame the "GUN" instead the person that pulled the trigger. It's the Guns fault it was used to kill. The problem is not the Quads (Drones) but the people that fly them where and when they aren't allowed to be flowen. But NO we won't educate and/or prosecute the perpetrator, we'll just ban the ownership and use of things deemed to be a hazard to the general public. Then there ar those here that would go along with anything that doesn't include them and the way they have always Flown R/C ie Traditional R/C. What U going to do when the next president uses Executive order to eliminate the 2nd amendment, And this is coming as sure as Sun Down and Sun Rise. When are we going to say Enough is Enough and stand up and be counted.
"This is my Opinion and it ain't Humble".
I want our organization to put as much distance as possible between traditional model aircraft activities and Drone operations !
IF drones end up banned , it will NOT be as a result of any traditional model aircraft activities . But if ALL rc models end up banned , it WILL be due to the drones !
The flying camera boys will then go on to find a new hobby to ruin , and the only losers will be the true aviation hobbyist that could care less about flying cameras and were just into flight for flight's sake ......
Last edited by init4fun; 10-21-2015 at 03:05 PM. Reason: darned typos
10-21-2015, 03:12 PM
#148
I don't recall calling for any bans in my post , so I'm curious why you would quote MY post and then go on about banning drones ? Let me make this abundantly clear ;
I want our organization to put as much distance as possible between traditional model aircraft activities and Drone operations !
IF drones end up banned , it will NOT be as a result of any traditional model aircraft activities . But if ALL rc models end up banned , it WILL be due to the drones !
The flying camera boys will then go on to find a new hobby to ruin , and the only losers will be the true aviation hobbyist that could care less about flying cameras are were just into flight for flight's sake ......
I want our organization to put as much distance as possible between traditional model aircraft activities and Drone operations !
IF drones end up banned , it will NOT be as a result of any traditional model aircraft activities . But if ALL rc models end up banned , it WILL be due to the drones !
The flying camera boys will then go on to find a new hobby to ruin , and the only losers will be the true aviation hobbyist that could care less about flying cameras are were just into flight for flight's sake ......
I think we have only seen the "Tip of the Iceberg" as far as drone related shenanigans are concerned. I can foresee a day when the public is so fed up with it that the only way to preserve our freedom as Traditional RC Operators is to make it common knowledge that we do not advocate any sort of Drone Operations at AMA flying sites.
At some point you have to know where lines need to be drawn to avoid getting sucked into the undertow.
10-21-2015, 03:46 PM
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I am gearing up to attend the 50th anniversary of the Rhinebeck Jamoboree, a model airplane event. I am sure you will not find a 50th anniversary for drones or helis, or RC cars or boats (well, maybe boats) anywhere anytime soon ;-)
If you are asking what "Traditional RC Modelling", the simple answer is MODEL AIRPLANES. The AMA was founded in 1936, show me another form of RC modelling that existed before then and this can become a discussion......
-Sean
If you are asking what "Traditional RC Modelling", the simple answer is MODEL AIRPLANES. The AMA was founded in 1936, show me another form of RC modelling that existed before then and this can become a discussion......
-Sean
10-21-2015, 04:06 PM
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I am gearing up to attend the 50th anniversary of the Rhinebeck Jamoboree, a model airplane event. I am sure you will not find a 50th anniversary for drones or helis, or RC cars or boats (well, maybe boats) anywhere anytime soon ;-)
If you are asking what "Traditional RC Modelling", the simple answer is MODEL AIRPLANES. The AMA was founded in 1936, show me another form of RC modelling that existed before then and this can become a discussion......
-Sean
If you are asking what "Traditional RC Modelling", the simple answer is MODEL AIRPLANES. The AMA was founded in 1936, show me another form of RC modelling that existed before then and this can become a discussion......
-Sean
It's already a discussion, and now you're part of it.
Thanks for your thoughts.