What is Traditional RC modeling?
11-20-2015, 03:07 PM
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The term "Traditional Modeling" would seem to refer to the "traditional skills" involved with modeling. A modicum of building, some understanding of the processes involved in flight and the ability to apply aforementioned skill-set to the successful flight of a radio controlled model. The industry seems to be moving away from this template. So be it. Those of us that think of ourselves as "Traditional" need to get over it. We are a dying breed and that is unlikely to change.
It does seem that the current industry model is oriented toward those with a few $$$ and some X-BOX skills. Not hard to find in today's crop of youngsters.
Mores the pity. Just my $0.02 worth.
It does seem that the current industry model is oriented toward those with a few $$$ and some X-BOX skills. Not hard to find in today's crop of youngsters.
Mores the pity. Just my $0.02 worth.
11-20-2015, 03:26 PM
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HD, I usually agree with your posts, but your suggestion would never happen IMO. First, it would be like a bank robber going down to the police station to register the gun he going to use to hold up the bank??
Never gonna happen. The FAA and CBO Flight Instructors won't sign off on that anyway. Why would they?
The clowns will still fly them, creating havoc for all of us, no matter what the FAA, AMA or any other organized organization does to prevent these actions. It will still happen just like all the other crimes have, with all the regulations.
Unless somebody gets real teeth and does something, make it worth thinking about before doing it, it's a waste of time in my opinion,
Never gonna happen. The FAA and CBO Flight Instructors won't sign off on that anyway. Why would they?
The clowns will still fly them, creating havoc for all of us, no matter what the FAA, AMA or any other organized organization does to prevent these actions. It will still happen just like all the other crimes have, with all the regulations.
Unless somebody gets real teeth and does something, make it worth thinking about before doing it, it's a waste of time in my opinion,
11-20-2015, 06:52 PM
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The term "Traditional Modeling" would seem to refer to the "traditional skills" involved with modeling. A modicum of building, some understanding of the processes involved in flight and the ability to apply aforementioned skill-set to the successful flight of a radio controlled model. The industry seems to be moving away from this template. So be it. Those of us that think of ourselves as "Traditional" need to get over it. We are a dying breed and that is unlikely to change.
It does seem that the current industry model is oriented toward those with a few $$$ and some X-BOX skills. Not hard to find in today's crop of youngsters.
Mores the pity. Just my $0.02 worth.
It does seem that the current industry model is oriented toward those with a few $$$ and some X-BOX skills. Not hard to find in today's crop of youngsters.
Mores the pity. Just my $0.02 worth.
11-21-2015, 07:10 AM
#308
I have been told by some that owned the GP Fokker, that the axle wing had some crazy positive incidence set in it stock. I guess this had a big effect. The BUSA version has this set at 0, and in the air, it flies very nice. My latest one likes you to initiate the turn with rudder, and co-ordinate with aileron. Opposite of what we do generally. Otherwise it skids in the turns. Tripes are a blast to fly though, and the spins are spectacular.
11-21-2015, 07:40 AM
#309
What has been left out of the answers so far is a reference to "traditional rc modeling" as a family hobby. If you havent seen a vintage b/w video clip about modeling showing modelers, or even the audience, dressed up with neckties or the father driving with the son standing on the sideboard of the car heading out to retrieve his model. Not sure if that reference includes free flite or r/c only in any case it is of an era where 'values' mattered and we paid attention to the rules.
The best part of this clip is towards the end.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675087
The best part of this clip is towards the end.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=675087
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11-21-2015, 09:51 AM
#310
Thanks for your comments, great stuff, as is the video! Was at my club today and a new family was there that had joined. Well, most of the family. Mom brought her two kids down to the field to get some help getting a nitro motor to start, dad had to work. Within 10 minutes there were 3 guys helping out, trying to diagnosis the problem and get them squared away. A great sight to see on many levels.
11-21-2015, 11:29 AM
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Thanks for your comments, great stuff, as is the video! Was at my club today and a new family was there that had joined. Well, most of the family. Mom brought her two kids down to the field to get some help getting a nitro motor to start, dad had to work. Within 10 minutes there were 3 guys helping out, trying to diagnosis the problem and get them squared away. A great sight to see on many levels.
F-16 pilot who flew out of Madison WI. Very interesting guy to talk with. Just say'n ya gota watch out for dirty O'l men that play with Toy Airplanes.
11-21-2015, 12:56 PM
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That happened at our club this summer. A good lok'in Mom with 4 kids all under 11 the boy and his 3 sisters. Anyway got all kinds of help, the Mom that is. The kid can already fly. Next time she brought here Husband who turned out to be a full time Air Guard
F-16 pilot who flew out of Madison WI. Very interesting guy to talk with. Just say'n ya gota watch out for dirty O'l men that play with Toy Airplanes.
F-16 pilot who flew out of Madison WI. Very interesting guy to talk with. Just say'n ya gota watch out for dirty O'l men that play with Toy Airplanes.
11-21-2015, 09:23 PM
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Lighting the wick then hand launching. 50% of the time it would fizzle or crash immediately but occasionally the flight was spectacular (for an 11 year old) followed by a long glide.
Another time a small 30cm wing span glider was sucked up by a thermal and lost forever on its first flight. I didn't know about thermals at the time so was astounded to watch it keep climbing out of sight. I remember it like it was yesterday. Elated that I had just watched it fly for several minutes but sad I had lost it.
It wasn't until 2 years later when I joined an RC club and told my instructor about it that I learned what a thermal was and the mystery was solved.
I think Traditional Modelling will mean different things to different people - depending on age and when you first started in the hobby - to me its building Balsa Planes and running Glow motors. Flew them for 20+ years and loved every minute of it.
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11-22-2015, 04:40 AM
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Some of my best memories come from building small balsa planes like this years before I could afford RC. I built a delta wing model about 20 cm wide and 30cm long and strapped small fireworks to the back as a rocket engine.
Lighting the wick then hand launching. 50% of the time it would fizzle or crash immediately but occasionally the flight was spectacular (for an 11 year old) followed by a long glide.
Another time a small 30cm wing span glider was sucked up by a thermal and lost forever on its first flight. I didn't know about thermals at the time so was astounded to watch it keep climbing out of sight. I remember it like it was yesterday. Elated that I had just watched it fly for several minutes but sad I had lost it.
It wasn't until 2 years later when I joined an RC club and told my instructor about it that I learned what a thermal was and the mystery was solved.
I think Traditional Modelling will mean different things to different people - depending on age and when you first started in the hobby - to me its building Balsa Planes and running Glow motors. Flew them for 20+ years and loved every minute of it.
Lighting the wick then hand launching. 50% of the time it would fizzle or crash immediately but occasionally the flight was spectacular (for an 11 year old) followed by a long glide.
Another time a small 30cm wing span glider was sucked up by a thermal and lost forever on its first flight. I didn't know about thermals at the time so was astounded to watch it keep climbing out of sight. I remember it like it was yesterday. Elated that I had just watched it fly for several minutes but sad I had lost it.
It wasn't until 2 years later when I joined an RC club and told my instructor about it that I learned what a thermal was and the mystery was solved.
I think Traditional Modelling will mean different things to different people - depending on age and when you first started in the hobby - to me its building Balsa Planes and running Glow motors. Flew them for 20+ years and loved every minute of it.
Thanks Rob, that's a great story. I remember the old balsa ones too, love the bit about fireworks too...i might have attacked a bottle rocket or two as well.
Do you think your early involvement in the hobby lead you, or had influence in what you later chose to do as an occupation?
11-22-2015, 05:39 AM
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Thanks Rob, that's a great story. I remember the old balsa ones too, love the bit about fireworks too...i might have attacked a bottle rocket or two as well.
Do you think your early involvement in the hobby lead you, or had influence in what you later chose to do as an occupation?
Do you think your early involvement in the hobby lead you, or had influence in what you later chose to do as an occupation?
Always loved anything that flies and that drew me into the hobby also.
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11-22-2015, 10:06 AM
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I think it was the other way around as I always wanted to be a pilot as far back as I can remember. (We lived directly under the landing path at Sydney Airport when I was very young and I watched planes fly over low all day every day)
Always loved anything that flies and that drew me into the hobby also.
Always loved anything that flies and that drew me into the hobby also.
11-22-2015, 05:41 PM
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Slow day eh? I wonder if CJ will step in with a lawn ornament comment, or better yet tell me it should be obvious I'm being trolled. Hmm...
It may come as a shocker, but not everyone is part of the AMA from the day they were born. Perhaps you were lucky and joined them early, I know you're a pretty big fan of theirs. I wish I could take back everything I did when I was 12...alas, 'tis not to be.
It may come as a shocker, but not everyone is part of the AMA from the day they were born. Perhaps you were lucky and joined them early, I know you're a pretty big fan of theirs. I wish I could take back everything I did when I was 12...alas, 'tis not to be.
11-22-2015, 05:50 PM
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My Feedback: (1)
I'am not sure attaching a bottle rocket to model as the propulsion source is breaking the rules, launching a bottle rocket from an aircraft is what would be a "no no". I can remember as a kid trying to get one of those "Jet-X" things to power some of my little hand launch gliders, same idea but I bet a bottle rocket worked better.
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11-22-2015, 06:11 PM
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I'am not sure attaching a bottle rocket to model as the propulsion source is breaking the rules, launching a bottle rocket from an aircraft is what would be a "no no". I can remember as a kid trying to get one of those "Jet-X" things to power some of my little hand launch gliders, same idea but I bet a bottle rocket worked better.
fwiw the bottle rocket worked for about 3 seconds, then boom...into the ground. The things we do when we're young.
11-22-2015, 06:19 PM
#323
Slow day eh? I wonder if CJ will step in with a lawn ornament comment, or better yet tell me it should be obvious I'm being trolled. Hmm...
It may come as a shocker, but not everyone is part of the AMA from the day they were born. Perhaps you were lucky and joined them early, I know you're a pretty big fan of theirs. I wish I could take back everything I did when I was 12...alas, 'tis not to be.
It may come as a shocker, but not everyone is part of the AMA from the day they were born. Perhaps you were lucky and joined them early, I know you're a pretty big fan of theirs. I wish I could take back everything I did when I was 12...alas, 'tis not to be.
YOURS strays to the point of calling me a troll, wondering if somebody who I don't even know is going to call you names, and claiming you know what my reply will be!
Talk about adult-like and classy! LOL
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11-22-2015, 09:55 PM
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Traditional probably doesn't fit RC building or even flying in the world today, this hobby has evolved to the point that anything goes whether you build it or buy it made and that includes anything that flies regardless of the power source. Having fun and hanging out with the boys (some ladies too) sharing all the aspects of this hobby we all enjoy. Absence of a club a open space with some kind of road for a runway will be just as much fun for those that do it and I have. Country kids and men fly their planes from their farms, city kids in their neighborhoods, there not concerned with AMA, most never even heard of it, it's all about fun, I hope they do it safely for their own good and safety of others, but we know many don't.
11-22-2015, 11:08 PM
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Traditional probably doesn't fit RC building or even flying in the world today, this hobby has evolved to the point that anything goes whether you build it or buy it made and that includes anything that flies regardless of the power source. Having fun and hanging out with the boys (some ladies too) sharing all the aspects of this hobby we all enjoy. Absence of a club a open space with some kind of road for a runway will be just as much fun for those that do it and I have. Country kids and men fly their planes from their farms, city kids in their neighborhoods, there not concerned with AMA, most never even heard of it, it's all about fun, I hope they do it safely for their own good and safety of others, but we know many don't.