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At what point, statistically, do they extrapolate sufficient information?
Last I checked e-mail was free, so the only added expense would be to read and assimilate the data collected. The AMA was formed by its members and for its members, seems like listening to ALL its members (or at least giving them all a chance to voice their opinions) would be a prudent way to spend its members' dollars!
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Last I checked e-mail was free, so the only added expense would be to read and assimilate the data collected. The AMA was formed by its members and for its members, seems like listening to ALL its members (or at least giving them all a chance to voice their opinions) would be a prudent way to spend its members' dollars!
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As for e-mail, no, actually it's not free. The e-mail fairy doesn't exist anymore, he/she has been replaced with programmers, servers, bandwidth, and infrastructure. The AMA was formed for the membership, who has elected officials to act on their behalf. While in a perfect world ALL would get to voice their opinion, and as it happens they can. They have direct lines to their local district leadership, regional AVP, and they can even right directly to the senior leadership. I'm not aware of anything stopping them.
In the case of the survey, it's not realistic or cost effective to send out 150,000 surveys. In the very rare case even 50% of people responded, consider the time it would take to review the results. If they were formatted as answer 1-10, that would be easier to do. One or two people could slice and dice those results easier. Tack on the free form answers, that ads a level of complexity that requires much more labor and man-hours. That cost money, and god knows the AMA has already been criticized for they way the spend our dues. I could hear the complaints now, right?
As is, I'd ballpark the cost of this in the $5,000k range, at least. Keep in mind the AMA has a researcher on staff too.
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How much does it cost?
Is that your opinion, or did the AMA give that as their reason for not sending it to every member?
In my opinion, that is a compelling reason to send it to every member.
That is the entire premise to sending out a questionaire; to gather information. Yes, it takes time, but that is one of their expected functions, to listen to their constituents in order to guide them to make the decisions we have entrusted them with.
These days, I'm not saying it wouldn't happen, but I personally can't fathom a member who would complain that their own organization would spend some of their own money in order to listen to their opinions! I believe you are aware that most of the criticisms we are seeing regarding the AMA's expenditures, are being voiced by members that believe their money is not being spent in their best interest, not simply that money is being spent.
Is this based on any verifiable facts?
And I can't think of a better way for them to spend their time! That is precisely what we pay them for!
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In the case of the survey, it's not realistic or cost effective to send out 150,000 surveys.
In the very rare case even 50% of people responded
consider the time it would take to review the results.
That cost money, and god knows the AMA has already been criticized for they way the spend our dues. I could hear the complaints now, right?
As is, I'd ballpark the cost of this in the $5,000k range, at least.
Keep in mind the AMA has a researcher on staff too.
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They seem to have no problem sending renewal notices along with non AMA business "offers" to everyone. Since there will always be a percentage that will not respond what's the harm to emailing everyone?
Would it not be smart to gather all the feedback possible.since were dealing with topics that will effect the organization in years to come?
I'm just tossing that out as food for thought.
As far as cost I'm sure they would be paying a third party to collect and compile results. Nobody in this day and age does it themselves.
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Would it not be smart to gather all the feedback possible.since were dealing with topics that will effect the organization in years to come?
I'm just tossing that out as food for thought.
As far as cost I'm sure they would be paying a third party to collect and compile results. Nobody in this day and age does it themselves.
Mike
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This survey is not the first one I've gotten over the years from AMA .
I always respond. Why not ,I'm glad they care what I think .
My participation in model aviation has spanned decades , I've been vocal when I thought it would help or just wanted to vent ,been an active CD ,member of a s.i.g. (LSF) .
I don't know their survey selection criteria and won't speculate , but staying involved long term just may
get them to wonder what you think .
I always respond. Why not ,I'm glad they care what I think .
My participation in model aviation has spanned decades , I've been vocal when I thought it would help or just wanted to vent ,been an active CD ,member of a s.i.g. (LSF) .
I don't know their survey selection criteria and won't speculate , but staying involved long term just may
get them to wonder what you think .
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From the AMA Members only page.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/membersonly/suassurvey.aspx
[h=1]sUAS Survey Results[/h]
"A survey was conducted to gain a better understanding of the wants and needs of a recreational and light commercial-use sUAS operator. More than 3,000 people took part. The survey results will be posted in April 2014.
The survey is one of many resources the AMA is leveraging to properly address this emerging discipline."
3000 out of 150,000 members? I don't remember ever seeing the results either.
Mike
http://www.modelaircraft.org/membersonly/suassurvey.aspx
[h=1]sUAS Survey Results[/h]
"A survey was conducted to gain a better understanding of the wants and needs of a recreational and light commercial-use sUAS operator. More than 3,000 people took part. The survey results will be posted in April 2014.
The survey is one of many resources the AMA is leveraging to properly address this emerging discipline."
3000 out of 150,000 members? I don't remember ever seeing the results either.
Mike
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From the AMA Members only page.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/membersonly/suassurvey.aspx
sUAS Survey Results
"A survey was conducted to gain a better understanding of the wants and needs of a recreational and light commercial-use sUAS operator. More than 3,000 people took part. The survey results will be posted in April 2014.
The survey is one of many resources the AMA is leveraging to properly address this emerging discipline."
3000 out of 150,000 members? I don't remember ever seeing the results either.
Mike
http://www.modelaircraft.org/membersonly/suassurvey.aspx
sUAS Survey Results
"A survey was conducted to gain a better understanding of the wants and needs of a recreational and light commercial-use sUAS operator. More than 3,000 people took part. The survey results will be posted in April 2014.
The survey is one of many resources the AMA is leveraging to properly address this emerging discipline."
3000 out of 150,000 members? I don't remember ever seeing the results either.
Mike
Given the earlier survey and the new one, perhaps this most recent one is a follow up.
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Without knowing the number of surveys sent out, "3000 out of 150,000" is sort of a partial equation. What percentage of the membership did they want to query, and of those polled, how many responded. If 3000 were sent out and returned, fantastic. If 10,000 were sent and 3000 still a pretty good result.
Given the earlier survey and the new one, perhaps this most recent one is a follow up.
Given the earlier survey and the new one, perhaps this most recent one is a follow up.
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Still did not get the survey.
I send an email to '[email protected]' as it was suggested in another thread, asking why I did not get this survey, or any email from AMA in the past several months. No reply...
I have received dozens of email prior to that, and have not changed my email address in close to 10 years.
I logging in the http://www.modelaircraft.org/ web site, and checked that all my info is up to date.
I will call them Monday and inquire....
I send an email to '[email protected]' as it was suggested in another thread, asking why I did not get this survey, or any email from AMA in the past several months. No reply...
I have received dozens of email prior to that, and have not changed my email address in close to 10 years.
I logging in the http://www.modelaircraft.org/ web site, and checked that all my info is up to date.
I will call them Monday and inquire....
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Still did not get the survey.
I send an email to '[email protected]' as it was suggested in another thread, asking why I did not get this survey, or any email from AMA in the past several months. No reply...
I have received dozens of email prior to that, and have not changed my email address in close to 10 years.
I logging in the http://www.modelaircraft.org/ web site, and checked that all my info is up to date.
I will call them Monday and inquire....
I send an email to '[email protected]' as it was suggested in another thread, asking why I did not get this survey, or any email from AMA in the past several months. No reply...
I have received dozens of email prior to that, and have not changed my email address in close to 10 years.
I logging in the http://www.modelaircraft.org/ web site, and checked that all my info is up to date.
I will call them Monday and inquire....
Mike
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As for it being SECONDARY coverage, it is still priced significantly lower than any similar excess product out there. Not sure about that, call and agent and ask they to quote a similar product with similar coverage. Put that next to the annual dues we pay. In light of the need to be accurate, calculate the amount of the dues that goes to the coverage we get. It's even more cost effective. But hey, use the fill dues when considering it as the premium, it's still hundreds less that the cost of a policy.
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How many is it primary for?
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I'll play the pedantry game this morning since it' cold and rainy and miserable.
I stroked my deck and whipped it out, the answer is: More than one.
Stop already with the silliness. If it's more than one, does it matter? You know just as well as I do that there are some people who don't have renters or homeowners insurance, nor are they walking around with personal liability policies. For them, this coverage is primary.
Now, back to my deck.
I stroked my deck and whipped it out, the answer is: More than one.
Stop already with the silliness. If it's more than one, does it matter? You know just as well as I do that there are some people who don't have renters or homeowners insurance, nor are they walking around with personal liability policies. For them, this coverage is primary.
Now, back to my deck.
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I'll play the pedantry game this morning since it' cold and rainy and miserable.
I stroked my deck and whipped it out, the answer is: More than one.
Stop already with the silliness. If it's more than one, does it matter? You know just as well as I do that there are some people who don't have renters or homeowners insurance, nor are they walking around with personal liability policies. For them, this coverage is primary.
Now, back to my deck.
I stroked my deck and whipped it out, the answer is: More than one.
Stop already with the silliness. If it's more than one, does it matter? You know just as well as I do that there are some people who don't have renters or homeowners insurance, nor are they walking around with personal liability policies. For them, this coverage is primary.
Now, back to my deck.
Now in another post you posted that Membership was up in 2015. Care to share those numbers?,
Your the guy who wants all to post facts I challenge you to do the same.
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"I didn't dig on the AMA site to see if they ever published the results of the earlier one"
I posted the link on the members only page, " sUAS Survey Results" only thing there is just what I posted about the 3000 responding.Here's the link again.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...uassurvey.aspx
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I posted the link on the members only page, " sUAS Survey Results" only thing there is just what I posted about the 3000 responding.Here's the link again.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...uassurvey.aspx
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If you don't want to agree that there is at least one person in 150,000 membership who has the AMA insurance as primary, you stick to your guns. Double down even, it's fairly obvious what the answer is. Chances are you have them in your club, I know I do in mine. But really, insist on a specific number to avoid agreeing with me.
As for the post about increased membership (in another thread I believe), you probably noted that I included the e-mail which indicated membership was up. I can post it here too since it doesn't appear you got it. I guess the word of an AMA AVP, and committee chairman isn't sufficient to some on it's face. Perhaps it's my rose colored lenses that make be believe him, but RC is still popular, and with the dues "discount", it was bound to happen for 2015. Also I look at it locally too, my club had 24 new members join this year, 9 of which signed up for AMA as a result. Other clubs in the area are experiencing growth as well. Here is the e-mail, in part:
"Now is the time to start thinking about 2016. Some AMA programs have suspense dates such as TAG, Scholarships, Flying Field improvement, etc.
Good news. AMA closes out it's membership year on September 15th and again AMA membership has increased. Great job AMA
Remember if I can help you please ask.
Rusty Kennedy, L716
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Leader Member Program Coordinator
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"Yes, it's all about a "challenge" isn't it."
Not at all.
I could go though this and others threads where you have "Challenged" other posters to provide Facts and blown off those that did not, Apparently you don't like it when your called on it.
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Mike
Not at all.
I could go though this and others threads where you have "Challenged" other posters to provide Facts and blown off those that did not, Apparently you don't like it when your called on it.
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Mike
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It's kinda like playing chess with a pigeon, they kick over all the pieces and strut around like they've won! LOL!!
Astro