Sport_Pilot

To step up you would actually have to know something.

Sport_Pilot

The law said the FAA had to require that in their regulation. I believe it was only recently put into an AC.

Chris P. Bacon

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And if the AMA member is not flying at an AMA chartered club field?

Also, what makes you think clubs have enforcement authority over public property?

dreadedone

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I guess that those who believe the FAA will exempt traditional model aviation are laboring under a false sense of security. In my time with the FAA (in the airworthiness section) I became very well aware of the policies and procedures. I am not faulting the FAA as they will do whatever to fix whatever the public perceives is a problem. But guys, make no mistake, regulation will take place. It might go like this: one buys a Model airplane from say Tower, Horizon Hobbies Chief Aircraft or one of the other suppliers. What you will get is a registration form that describes the aircraft and it also requires that it be built in accordance with the supplied instructions. If any deviations are made they must be approved by the Mfg or the FAA. This registration WILL require a fee. If that model is traded or sold the purchaser must determine that it is registered and so on including flying sites. I know there are many nay-sayers and "hope for the best" among us. I have taken part many times in such procedures and know what I am talking about. I read that the reason that registration is for drones is coming is that they (the FAA) wishes to try and get the irresponsible operators out of the system. The whole Drone thing has gotten out of hand and the AMA has supported the Drone community. Guys; I don't wish to be a gloom and doom model airplane operator as I enjoy the hobby/sport very much and have been flying for over 40 years but I see what may be coming.

franklin_m

First, I do body language reading as part of my job. Second, if he's nervous getting in front of people then I'd argue he's not a good fit for a public policy position like that. Third, I would. Understanding that people will be watching reactions in a situation like this is something he knew or should know. That's the type of expertise that people in those types of positions are paid to know. I see it as yet another example that he's in way over his head. Maybe a great modeler, heck I'd be willing to even stipulate that he's the world's greatest modeler, model pilot, and all around great guy. But that doesn't mean he's good in this role.

franklin_m

You hit the nail on the head. What some are failing to realize is that at this level, words matter. What I heard the Secretary says was "all." It's no accident that the Administrator referred to them as "aircraft." That's a direct rebuttal of AMA - for the AMA is suing the FAA's over the agency's interpretation of the language in the law that the AMA asked for. Key point? You guessed it. The FAA's interpretation that models are "aircraft" subject to FAA regulation.

franklin_m

So what? I don't disagree that the pilot is expected to comply. My question is what's the role of the AMA sanctioned club? If what you are saying is true, the club has zero responsibility to enforce if a member violates AMA rules.

binns aero

I told you so.

porcia83

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Doom and gloom sells, scare tactics and forecasting the worst possible outcome, and don't forget a little threat of government oversight (and even confiscation) to sweeten the pot. All makes for great reading and prognostication on hobby websites. Since you seem to have such intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the FAA you undoubtedly know they have their hands filled and can barely manage to do their mission critical work. This isn't some bizzare grab for power.....over hobby toys? C'mon.

porcia83

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ahh...everything is finalized then?

HoundDog

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FAA to Regulate Model airplanes and require a license. Hillary is going to do away with the second amendment By Executive order. Guns will be confiscated like Australia. What next for model airplanes, Transponders and two way radio contact with the appropriate ATC? ADS-B OUT for sure. If U take the wings off and run your plane as a R/C Vehicle or boat what then? The world is going BANANAS.

When is the last time anyone has seen or even heard of a model plane coming close to a full scale airplane when flying at an AMA field?
FAR 91.119 Minimum Safe Altitudes : General Read sub paragraph (b) . I contacted the Phoenix [h=3]Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO)[/h]I asked what constitutes "An open air assembly of people" and the answer was anything from 33000 people in a stadium to 2 people on a blanket having a picnic. I take that to mean maned aircraft must maintain 1000' above the highest object within 2000' of a model field when there any number but 1 person(s) flying model planes. U read it and see what U think.

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§ 91.119 Minimum safe altitudes: General.Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement,o r over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters, powered parachutes, and weight-shift-control aircraft. If the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface—
(1) A helicopter may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section, provided each person operating the helicopter complies with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the FAA; and
(2) A powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (c) of this section.
[Doc. No. 18334, 54 FR 34294, Aug. 18, 1989, as amended by Amdt. 91-311, 75 FR 5223, Feb. 1, 2010]

Silent-AV8R

Video of the announcement:

https://www.transportation.gov/fastl...n-announcement

F-16 viperman

"the four most beautiful words in the English language, I TOLD YOU SO." Gore Vidal.

astrohog

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If anyone is confused, or has a question, just ask Porcia or Crispy. They'll know the answer.......and it will be the right one!.........just ask them, they'll tell you! 😀

Regards,

Astro

combatpigg

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In their spare time yesterday, they BOTH asked a forum poster why his guns weren't registered.!

oliveDrab

I hope the guvmint goes to the trouble of defining "drone". If they classify my 4*60 or Rascal 110 as a drone ... I'm moving to another planet.

joancmigneault

I can't see getting a pilots license just to fly a quad copter & take a few pictures. I WILL NOT REGISTER MY QUAD. Register ALL GUNS first. They cause more damage. Oh. And I do belong to the AMA. I have paid my 2016 dues. And I do fly responsibly.

franklin_m

Another interesting thing to note: Here's the statements of support for DOT/FAA action today. Notice who's not listed at all? Anyone think that's a coincidence? That's what it looks like when a group gets marginalized.

https://www.transportation.gov/brief...s-registration

porcia83

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Did I miss all of those groups up on the stage making statements. "marginalized"...too funny. Would gave liked to have seen them all speak, and read their body language as well.

Chris P. Bacon

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And you know they were marginalized because? Perhaps the AMA simply choose not to release a statement or didn't release a statement in time to be published on the DOT website.

oliveDrab

Will existing model aircraft be "grandfathered" such that they will not be required to be registered. In other words, will registration for required from this time on for new aircraft only?

init4fun

The public sure has , that's for sure .

As proof , do what I did , show 10 random people a picture of a P-51 Mustang , and a picture of a quad . !0 out of 10 will call the quad a drone and the P-51 a toy plane .

Now as long as the govt. thinks the same way as my 10 random people do , we're golden . And if not , just think of how valuable all of our "pre ban" equipment will be

F-16 viperman

Today it was affirmed that "ALL unmaned aircraft are considered UAS" . It was also affirmed that it is illegal to "drop ANYTHING from a UAS within the NAS". No more parachute or candy drops for the kids. Make sure to tell Them the truth Who the killjoy was Who said NO! Just watch and listen to the entire announcement and press conference. There were still more questions and, Anthony Foxx and Michael Huerta just walked off the stage without even saying no more questions. That made me laugh.

combatpigg

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Yes, I would expect to see an Honorable Mention just for the sake of being polite...!

By FAILING to take a hard line stance against getting involved with FPV, our leadership will not be able to proudly say "We did everything we could to maintain our freedom".

grotto2

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It won't work, oliveDrab. Airline pilots have seen a lot more UFOs, so next the FAA will be registering them as well.

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