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Old 10-20-2015, 08:26 AM
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What part of "Proposed rule would not apply to model aircraft that satisfy all of the Model Aircraft criteria specified in Section 336 of Public Law 112-95."
don't you guys get?
Old 10-20-2015, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by warbird72
That 100 mph apply to turbines?
It doesn't apply to any model airplanes, read the last few lines.
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Originally Posted by F-16 viperman
They specifically stated that any unmanned aircraft that flies in the NAS is a UAS PERIOD!

What's the definition of a UAS? Where's that spelled out?
That's the whole point. What we had in the past is no longer relevant after yesterday.

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Old 10-20-2015, 08:51 AM
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I think UAS is a typo. Maybe sUAV.
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By Definition a paper airplane is a UAS.
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Originally Posted by rcmiket
What's the definition of a UAS? Where's that spelled out?
That's the whole point. What we had in the past is no longer relevant after yesterday.

Mike
I abreviated, Full quote is "ANY UNMANNED AIRCRAFT FLYING IN THE NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM IS A UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM".
Watch and listen. "any unmanned aircraft flying in the NAS is a UAS". By that statement, A paper airplane is a UAS. Sad but true. So sorry to see it incrementally end this way.

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Old 10-20-2015, 09:45 AM
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From the press release: "The task force will be composed of 25 to 30 diverse representatives from the UAS and manned aviation industries, the federal government, and other stakeholders. The group will advise the Department on which aircraft should be exempt from registration due to a low safety risk, including toys and certain other small UAS." Note, however, they also recognize that UAVs with cameras can be purchased for under $40 so the word "toy" is ambiguous. These guys have a lot of work to do and very litte time to do it. The FAA expects over a million UAVs will be sold this Christmas season and woudl like to get that under control.
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Originally Posted by F-16 viperman
By Definition a paper airplane is a UAS.
Yes make hundreds of paper airplanes and register all of them!
Old 10-20-2015, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by larry@coyotenet
What part of "Proposed rule would not apply to model aircraft that satisfy all of the Model Aircraft criteria specified in Section 336 of Public Law 112-95."
don't you guys get?
What part of the FAA has ultimate safety related authority over anything that enters the National Aerospace System do you not understand? It's your kind of attitude that has caused this problem.
Old 10-20-2015, 09:57 AM
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These guys have a lot of work to do and very litte time to do it
Let's give them plenty to do. IMO a million is not near enough.
Old 10-20-2015, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rgburrill
What part of the FAA has ultimate safety related authority over anything that enters the National Aerospace System do you not understand? It's your kind of attitude that has caused this problem.

IMO its all of the frabricated reports and press that is the problem. Any aircraft brought down by a model airplane out there?
Old 10-20-2015, 10:04 AM
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BTW, the FAA has also recognized the AMA requirement that a person put his AMA number clearly visible on his models. I'm sure during this fact finding process they will find that most don't and that most clubs ignore it.
Old 10-20-2015, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
IMO its all of the frabricated reports and press that is the problem. Any aircraft brought down by a model airplane out there?
Can't think of any aircraft brought down by one but we have all read several stories of homes and cars being destroyed by fires that fire fighting aircraft couldn't reach bcause of UAVs. Or doesn't that register in your brain?
Old 10-20-2015, 10:09 AM
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that fire fighting aircraft couldn't reach bcause of UAVs
Where those large enough to bring down an aircraft? I know a 50 pound model could but a lot of these are less than a couple of pounds, some less than a pound.
Old 10-20-2015, 10:10 AM
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"clearly visible"?

Where does it say that?

It needs to be affixed inside or outside the model.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
IMO its all of the frabricated reports and press that is the problem. Any aircraft brought down by a model airplane out there?
Man I wish I knew where you flew. I might just consider taking a trip and do some skeet practice.
Old 10-20-2015, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey
"clearly visible"?

Where does it say that?

It needs to be affixed inside or outside the model.
Sorry, I thought it had to be outside. My bad and I acknowledge that.
Old 10-20-2015, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Where those large enough to bring down an aircraft?
Gee, I don't know. Why don't you ask the pilots who made the decision to turn around?
Old 10-20-2015, 10:43 AM
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By definition, a "drone" is any aircraft that uses an aided flying system. Typically, this is a video transmitter but later FAA definitions also include GPS controlled systems.

I have always been of the opinion that FPV and GPS systems should not be part of model aircraft, and the single pilot, un-aided line of sight rule should be used. If people want to fly their "drones", then they should get their own sanctioning body (like the AMA) and have at it.
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Originally Posted by rgburrill
What part of the FAA has ultimate safety related authority over anything that enters the National Aerospace System do you not understand? It's your kind of attitude that has caused this problem.
Actually, it's the Department of Homeland Security that is pushing this issue, telling the FAA to come up with a solution before they do.
Old 10-20-2015, 10:56 AM
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I think all "they" gotta do is say "just put your AMA number on it..." ... and you're "registered"... *

(*tongue in cheek )
Old 10-20-2015, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Yes make hundreds of paper airplanes and register all of them!
Not Register the "Plane" but the "Operator." Get Ready to PAY Periodically, for Federal LICENSE. And Heaven Help Us ALL if That License Requires "Compliance Inspections" from a Goverment Agency. Just Ask any FFL License Holder about Their dealings with the ATF. They'll Tell You....,
Old 10-20-2015, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rgburrill
Man I wish I knew where you flew. I might just consider taking a trip and do some skeet practice.
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I did not actually finish that the computer locked up and the following is what was intended.

Where those large enough to bring down an aircraft? I know a 50 pound model could but a lot of these are less than a couple of pounds, some less than a pound. Seems that the risk would be very small even if they did hit one. They were not flying small Piper Cubs either.

The point is that the risk is overblown and registration can not solve anything. The very ones who cause the problems will not know and if they did would not bother with registration.

Sounds like a step toward banning if you ask me. Once they know whose doors to knock on they will pick them up.
Old 10-20-2015, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JimDrew
By definition, a "drone" is any aircraft that uses an aided flying system. Typically, this is a video transmitter but later FAA definitions also include GPS controlled systems.

I have always been of the opinion that FPV and GPS systems should not be part of model aircraft, and the single pilot, un-aided line of sight rule should be used. If people want to fly their "drones", then they should get their own sanctioning body (like the AMA) and have at it.
Here is the definition of a drone.
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  • a low continuous humming sound:
    "he nodded off to the drone of the car engine"synonyms: hum · buzz · whirr · vibration · murmur · purr


    • informal

      a monotonous speech:
      "only twenty minutes of the hour-long drone had passed"
    • a continuous musical note, typically of low pitch.
    • a musical instrument, or part of one, sounding a continuous note, in particular (also drone pipe) a pipe in a bagpipe or (also drone string) a string in an instrument such as a hurdy-gurdy or a sitar.



  • a male bee in a colony of social bees, which does no work but can fertilize a queen.




  • a remote-controlled pilotless aircraft or missile.





[h=4]ORIGIN[/h]
Old English drān, drǣn ‘male bee,’ from a West Germanic verb meaning ‘resound, boom’; related to Dutch dreunen ‘to drone,’ German dröhnen ‘to roar,’ and Swedish dröna ‘to drowse.’


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That said the FAA is not using the term, instead they use term unmanned aircraft.
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Sorry duplicate post.

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