Are you ready to register your aircraft?
11-10-2015, 04:52 PM
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Why would they mention pending legislation in a sales magazine? Also, keep in mind those are published months in advance. And if I'm not mistaken, Tower was the only retailer to send out a targeted and specific e-mail asking people to comment on the issue, directing them to the FAA website.
11-10-2015, 04:56 PM
#1179
1. Signed Y/N? Burden of proof is on AMA.
2. Failure to follow AMA? Burden of proof is on AMA.
3. Most severe action available to AMA regardless: terminate membership
4. Remedy available to terminated individual? Court action to show AMA action was arbitrary or capricious. Would only have to show a handful of youtube posts, video from meets, etc. showing any violations - if AMA did not take similar action against those individuals, creates a problem for AMA.
5. Effect on individual if they don't fly at AMA field, don't fly in AMA event? Not much.
2. Failure to follow AMA? Burden of proof is on AMA.
3. Most severe action available to AMA regardless: terminate membership
4. Remedy available to terminated individual? Court action to show AMA action was arbitrary or capricious. Would only have to show a handful of youtube posts, video from meets, etc. showing any violations - if AMA did not take similar action against those individuals, creates a problem for AMA.
5. Effect on individual if they don't fly at AMA field, don't fly in AMA event? Not much.
11-10-2015, 04:59 PM
#1180
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Why not just put this to rest right now? If you had definitive proof of just what is to be registered you'd post it so quick your head would spin just to prove me wrong. Since you don't you can't. End of story. Now in 10 days we will know won't we? I think we can agree on that.
Mike
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11-10-2015, 05:00 PM
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11-10-2015, 05:00 PM
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I did, and I abide by it when/where I'm within AMA's sphere of influence. I have no reason to doubt that Mike1974 does also, and so it would be rude to ask him.
11-10-2015, 05:04 PM
#1184
Whether I signed it or not is immaterial. Are you saying that you have followed each and every AMA rule, literally, to the letter, each and every time you've flown since you've been a member? If you start pulling membership for one type of violation, AMA will quickly have to go down the road of pulling membership for a host of other violations.
11-10-2015, 05:07 PM
#1185
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Depends on whether it holds up in court. By the way, any confusion or errors in a contract are the responsibility of the contract writer. Benefit of doubt is given to person who did not write it.
Whether I signed it or not is immaterial. Are you saying that you have followed each and every AMA rule, literally, to the letter, each and every time you've flown since you've been a member? If you start pulling membership for one type of violation, AMA will quickly have to go down the road of pulling membership for a host of other violations.
Whether I signed it or not is immaterial. Are you saying that you have followed each and every AMA rule, literally, to the letter, each and every time you've flown since you've been a member? If you start pulling membership for one type of violation, AMA will quickly have to go down the road of pulling membership for a host of other violations.
11-10-2015, 05:14 PM
#1186
Tell ya what, I'd love to know of those people who have been caught flying recklessly, how many were members of AMA. Wouldn't have a problem in the world yanking their membership if they did something illegal that resulted in arrest/harm/damages. Not that this would ever cause someone to think twice, but still.
11-10-2015, 05:16 PM
#1187
Depends on whether it holds up in court. By the way, any confusion or errors in a contract are the responsibility of the contract writer. Benefit of doubt is given to person who did not write it.
Whether I signed it or not is immaterial. Are you saying that you have followed each and every AMA rule, literally, to the letter, each and every time you've flown since you've been a member? If you start pulling membership for one type of violation, AMA will quickly have to go down the road of pulling membership for a host of other violations.
Whether I signed it or not is immaterial. Are you saying that you have followed each and every AMA rule, literally, to the letter, each and every time you've flown since you've been a member? If you start pulling membership for one type of violation, AMA will quickly have to go down the road of pulling membership for a host of other violations.
11-10-2015, 05:38 PM
#1188
Not quite sure why you have such a fetish for that particular point. Proves or disproves nothing. It would be up to AMA to enforce the terms of the contract against an offender, and then the offender could either challenge it or not. The court would be the arbitrator as to whether it's binding or not. But AMA would still have to both prove a violation, while simultaneously show that they took similar actions against all other violators.
11-10-2015, 05:41 PM
#1189
The reality for me is that I have no issue at all with registering my sUAS whether they're fixed wing, MR, helicopters, or something else. If AMA members are as safe as they're saying they are, then they have nothing to fear from registration.
Whether or not the AMA's efforts have been effective or not remains to be seen. Whether the $1M in membership money spent on lobbying was worth it or not remains to be seen. IMO, the larger concern is what follows this if registration does not solve the problem.
Whether or not the AMA's efforts have been effective or not remains to be seen. Whether the $1M in membership money spent on lobbying was worth it or not remains to be seen. IMO, the larger concern is what follows this if registration does not solve the problem.
11-10-2015, 05:42 PM
#1190
One of the major reasons I don't fly at AMA clubs anymore is that despite all the posturing about the AMA code, there's precious little enforcement. Quite frankly, I've seen AMA members rocketing 30+ lb gas powered 3D machines directly at the flight line then yank into a hover. I've seen sponsored "royalty" fly Q40 racers around the and behind the flight line while others were there trying to fly. Non AMA members hardly have a lock on unsafe behavior.
11-10-2015, 06:10 PM
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Want a experience deal with a R/C car guy they know it all but just can't get anything to work.
Mike
11-10-2015, 06:16 PM
#1192
All you have to do is use the hardware provided with most ARF models, and you are in violation of the AMA's general rules. Mainly for acceptable terminations on primary control surfaces. But that is another issue.
11-10-2015, 06:30 PM
#1193
And no, there are no Fed, state, or local ordinances tied to the AMA safety code. It is a guideline of the AMA. So no Crisp e, you will not be thrown in jail if you do not use a Z bend on your latest and greatest ARF creation, when the elevator fails and you smash it into your buddies car. The AMA might deny your claim, but your home owners insurance has first dibs anyway, so I am sure they will cover your loss.
So now you can get some sleep at night that all of those AMA members that signed the safety code, and are not following it will not be threatened with jail time as most are not following it anyway.
So again, why do I need the AMA in the middle of a private sod farm away from the rest of civilization?
For the record, I have been an AMA member for over 30 years and a Contest Director for over 20. This stuff is not very complicated, unless you want it to be by jumping to ludicrous conclusions about what things are and are not.
So now you can get some sleep at night that all of those AMA members that signed the safety code, and are not following it will not be threatened with jail time as most are not following it anyway.
So again, why do I need the AMA in the middle of a private sod farm away from the rest of civilization?
For the record, I have been an AMA member for over 30 years and a Contest Director for over 20. This stuff is not very complicated, unless you want it to be by jumping to ludicrous conclusions about what things are and are not.
11-10-2015, 06:39 PM
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And no, there are no Fed, state, or local ordinances tied to the AMA safety code. It is a guideline of the AMA. So no Crisp e, you will not be thrown in jail if you do not use a Z bend on your latest and greatest ARF creation, when the elevator fails and you smash it into your buddies car. The AMA might deny your claim, but your home owners insurance has first dibs anyway, so I am sure they will cover your loss.
So now you can get some sleep at night that all of those AMA members that signed the safety code, and are not following it will not be threatened with jail time as most are not following it anyway.
So again, why do I need the AMA in the middle of a private sod farm away from the rest of civilization?
For the record, I have been an AMA member for over 30 years and a Contest Director for over 20. This stuff is not very complicated, unless you want it to be by jumping to ludicrous conclusions about what things are and are not.
So now you can get some sleep at night that all of those AMA members that signed the safety code, and are not following it will not be threatened with jail time as most are not following it anyway.
So again, why do I need the AMA in the middle of a private sod farm away from the rest of civilization?
For the record, I have been an AMA member for over 30 years and a Contest Director for over 20. This stuff is not very complicated, unless you want it to be by jumping to ludicrous conclusions about what things are and are not.
It allows them to deny an insurance claim. Which is what the AMA's primary purpose is. So if you do not follow the rules, you will have your coverage denied. Has anyone ever heard of another being kicked out of the AMA?
All you have to do is use the hardware provided with most ARF models, and you are in violation of the AMA's general rules. Mainly for acceptable terminations on primary control surfaces. But that is another issue.
All you have to do is use the hardware provided with most ARF models, and you are in violation of the AMA's general rules. Mainly for acceptable terminations on primary control surfaces. But that is another issue.
Mike
11-10-2015, 06:51 PM
#1195
and no, there are no fed, state, or local ordinances tied to the ama safety code.
never said there were.
it is a guideline of the ama.
it's actually a requirement you agreed to upon becoming an ama member. It's right on the member application i've posted several times.
so no crisp e, you will not be thrown in jail if you do not use a z bend on your latest and greatest arf creation, when the elevator fails and you smash it into your buddies car.
never said you would
the ama might deny your claim, but your home owners insurance has first dibs anyway, so i am sure they will cover your loss.
inability to follow the safety code is one justification for denial.
so now you can get some sleep at night that all of those ama members that signed the safety code, and are not following it will not be threatened with jail time as most are not following it anyway.
will do.
so again, why do i need the ama in the middle of a private sod farm away from the rest of civilization?
no one said you did.
for the record, i have been an ama member for over 30 years and a contest director for over 20. This stuff is not very complicated, unless you want it to be by jumping to ludicrous conclusions about what things are and are not.
it's not,but some folks have difficultly with basic understanding.
never said there were.
it is a guideline of the ama.
it's actually a requirement you agreed to upon becoming an ama member. It's right on the member application i've posted several times.
so no crisp e, you will not be thrown in jail if you do not use a z bend on your latest and greatest arf creation, when the elevator fails and you smash it into your buddies car.
never said you would
the ama might deny your claim, but your home owners insurance has first dibs anyway, so i am sure they will cover your loss.
inability to follow the safety code is one justification for denial.
so now you can get some sleep at night that all of those ama members that signed the safety code, and are not following it will not be threatened with jail time as most are not following it anyway.
will do.
so again, why do i need the ama in the middle of a private sod farm away from the rest of civilization?
no one said you did.
for the record, i have been an ama member for over 30 years and a contest director for over 20. This stuff is not very complicated, unless you want it to be by jumping to ludicrous conclusions about what things are and are not.
it's not,but some folks have difficultly with basic understanding.
11-11-2015, 04:53 AM
#1197
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It allows them to deny an insurance claim. Which is what the AMA's primary purpose is. So if you do not follow the rules, you will have your coverage denied. Has anyone ever heard of another being kicked out of the AMA?
All you have to do is use the hardware provided with most ARF models, and you are in violation of the AMA's general rules. Mainly for acceptable terminations on primary control surfaces. But that is another issue.
All you have to do is use the hardware provided with most ARF models, and you are in violation of the AMA's general rules. Mainly for acceptable terminations on primary control surfaces. But that is another issue.
11-11-2015, 05:32 AM
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I absolutely follow the AMA safety guidlines when applicable and I am safety conscious in general. I am always teaching my 7 year old son the correct and safe way to do things. I even get on my friend, who is somewhat new to rc, when he is doing something he shouldn't or is unsafe. To be honest, the ONLY reason I have AMA is so I can fly my club field. I guess I consider myself smart enough, and have enough common sense to operate rc safely without guidance from an external source.
11-11-2015, 05:35 AM
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Why would they mention pending legislation in a sales magazine? Also, keep in mind those are published months in advance. And if I'm not mistaken, Tower was the only retailer to send out a targeted and specific e-mail asking people to comment on the issue, directing them to the FAA website.