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11-15-2015, 11:29 AM
#1351
Please try reading the entire quote and response. Justification would be inability to comply with federal regulations.
If they have paid your club dues and are members of the AMA, what have they violated ?
11-15-2015, 01:16 PM
#1354
11-15-2015, 01:58 PM
#1356
I hope AMA rules/registration numbers don't change, init4fun. It would allow for gathering data distinguishing AMA members from the riffraff involved in actionable incidents, and so provide actual stats to displace the hyperbole that credits only members under AMA leadership as responsible for the good safety record of model flying over many decades.
For sure my Friend . I've been AMA 80274 since the late 1960s/early 1970s and the AMA's insurance hasn't paid out one penny for my flying . (course , if the ground COULD sue , we'd ALL be SCREWED 
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11-15-2015, 04:09 PM
#1359
At least in most hobby shops the customer will (should) receive a very good overview and hopefully, at least ,take it outside for a flight by the shop before they leave along with a parting comment of "don't do anything stupid ,we don't want to read about YOU in the news" .
11-15-2015, 04:26 PM
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Right there is the big reason we are in this predicament......DJI. They will sell their stuff through any outlet regardless if said outlet has any experience with radio controlled craft or knowledge of how they should be flown ....safely. Someone buys it with little to no training before they leave.
At least in most hobby shops the customer will (should) receive a very good overview and hopefully, at least ,take it outside for a flight by the shop before they leave along with a parting comment of "don't do anything stupid ,we don't want to read about YOU in the news" .
At least in most hobby shops the customer will (should) receive a very good overview and hopefully, at least ,take it outside for a flight by the shop before they leave along with a parting comment of "don't do anything stupid ,we don't want to read about YOU in the news" .
Mike.
11-15-2015, 05:51 PM
#1361
Being one of those LHS guys I can assure that we do everything possible to get someone started on the right foot with every sale. Here's the reality 99% don't give a crap. That's they way it is now. There's no desire to learn about the hobby ,clubs or the AMA. The big box stores are just doing what they do sell product and there's no stopping it.
Mike.
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11-15-2015, 05:57 PM
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This is truly commendable. However, the risk of being sued nowadays if much higher than it was in the 60's and 70's. The risk continents to increase as time goes by.
11-15-2015, 06:45 PM
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11-15-2015, 06:50 PM
#1365
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Right there is the big reason we are in this predicament......DJI. They will sell their stuff through any outlet regardless if said outlet has any experience with radio controlled craft or knowledge of how they should be flown ....safely. Someone buys it with little to no training before they leave.
At least in most hobby shops the customer will (should) receive a very good overview and hopefully, at least ,take it outside for a flight by the shop before they leave along with a parting comment of "don't do anything stupid ,we don't want to read about YOU in the news" .
At least in most hobby shops the customer will (should) receive a very good overview and hopefully, at least ,take it outside for a flight by the shop before they leave along with a parting comment of "don't do anything stupid ,we don't want to read about YOU in the news" .
There is no way Horizon can do that, nor Tower...etc etc. And as rcmiket notes, most don't care. Many already know what it is and might already be in the hobby and of course some might be completely new to it. Regardless, if they use it incorrectly and cause damage to person or property, they should pay accordingly.
11-15-2015, 06:59 PM
#1366
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The AMA, or a local club field, with experienced instructors, are not needed anymore. Now a days, the stuff is plug and play, and ready to go. No engine experience, no runway etc. Unfortunately, the LHS is not required either. The whole sense of camaraderie tends to be missing. In my club, of around 110 members, I do not feel I have anything in common with most of the members. I like to design, build, compete, travel to events, etc. Not them. Just pull the toy out of the box and fly it. Break it, buy another one. It is a soul less endeavour in my mind, compared to what the hobby was.
I'd disagree about the need for the AMA, LHS, and clubs as well. Although I suspect there are more people flying that don't belong to clubs, all of the above serve a pretty valuable service and are very much in need...and in fact are well utilized. Don't lament the ARF and RTF technology that brings many folks into the hobby, so what if they don't design and scratch build. Isn't it enough that they fly and enjoy the hobby? Perhaps they will get around to building some day....it's only taken me 7 years.
The record is exceptional, and I would hope that would continue. You are right about litigation, there are cases filed all the time that have little merit, the mere cost of a defense is sometimes used as leverage to try to get money out of someone.
11-15-2015, 07:44 PM
#1367
The AMA, or a local club field, with experienced instructors, are not needed anymore.
I completely disagree. Lots of training going on at the clubs in my area. Weekly training schedule during the flying season.
Now a days, the stuff is plug and play, and ready to go.
Really depends on what you fly. No much after you get outside of the entry level stuff.
No engine experience, no runway etc. Unfortunately, the LHS is not required either. The whole sense of camaraderie tends to be missing. In my club, of around 110 members, I do not feel I have anything in common with most of the members. I like to design, build, compete, travel to events, etc. Not them. Just pull the toy out of the box and fly it. Break it, buy another one. It is a soul less endeavour in my mind, compared to what the hobby was.
Often times that's because that's all they know. Take someone under your wing and show them the ropes.
I completely disagree. Lots of training going on at the clubs in my area. Weekly training schedule during the flying season.
Now a days, the stuff is plug and play, and ready to go.
Really depends on what you fly. No much after you get outside of the entry level stuff.
No engine experience, no runway etc. Unfortunately, the LHS is not required either. The whole sense of camaraderie tends to be missing. In my club, of around 110 members, I do not feel I have anything in common with most of the members. I like to design, build, compete, travel to events, etc. Not them. Just pull the toy out of the box and fly it. Break it, buy another one. It is a soul less endeavour in my mind, compared to what the hobby was.
Often times that's because that's all they know. Take someone under your wing and show them the ropes.
11-15-2015, 07:58 PM
#1368
That's a pretty jaded opinion you have there on the state of the hobby so to speak. You should consider joining another club, or perhaps channeling your gifts and skills to other resources, like science classrooms of schools. Lots of new magnet schools opening up that focus on technology and even aviation. One of the members of my club recently spent the year helping some kids with a Science Olympics program building rubber band powered free flight models...helped them get to state level games. He was happy as could be, like a proud new papa.
I'd disagree about the need for the AMA, LHS, and clubs as well. Although I suspect there are more people flying that don't belong to clubs, all of the above serve a pretty valuable service and are very much in need...and in fact are well utilized. Don't lament the ARF and RTF technology that brings many folks into the hobby, so what if they don't design and scratch build. Isn't it enough that they fly and enjoy the hobby? Perhaps they will get around to building some day....it's only taken me 7 years.
The record is exceptional, and I would hope that would continue. You are right about litigation, there are cases filed all the time that have little merit, the mere cost of a defense is sometimes used as leverage to try to get money out of someone.
I'd disagree about the need for the AMA, LHS, and clubs as well. Although I suspect there are more people flying that don't belong to clubs, all of the above serve a pretty valuable service and are very much in need...and in fact are well utilized. Don't lament the ARF and RTF technology that brings many folks into the hobby, so what if they don't design and scratch build. Isn't it enough that they fly and enjoy the hobby? Perhaps they will get around to building some day....it's only taken me 7 years.
The record is exceptional, and I would hope that would continue. You are right about litigation, there are cases filed all the time that have little merit, the mere cost of a defense is sometimes used as leverage to try to get money out of someone.
11-15-2015, 08:06 PM
#1369
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I should have said that those entities are not needed by the new pilots entering the hobby. Runways and flying fields are not as necessary as they were to these individuals. Of course, for those of us flying giant scale, competition scale models (or comparably sized models) we do require such infrastructure. I also feel the AMA is important to my modeling pursuits.
You would do well showing younger and new folks the building and flying skills you no doubt have. I'm sure it would be more rewarding then dealing with the malaise that you see at your club.
Happy continued flying.
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11-15-2015, 08:12 PM
#1370
I have been an instructor in my club for years, but, the old traditional way of training seems to be non existent. We do not have any new pilots that we would have considered students in the past. The high quality (flying) park flyer models seem to have changed this aspect of the hobby.
11-15-2015, 08:22 PM
#1372
I think you will agree that our instructors that taught us how to fly, did much more than just keep us from hitting the ground. Basic aerodynamics, and so forth. I guess that stuff can come later if they remain with the hobby and want to go further with it.
11-15-2015, 08:34 PM
#1373
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yes, agreed. My first instructor taught me how to fly in frgid cold windy November winds. Almost disabled my ailerons and was making me focus on rudder rudder rudder. I spent all this money on a 4 channel plane and he was dropping it down to basically a 3. It took a while to figure out why, and given that the main field I fly at has an almost constant brisk crosswind, I thank him for that. Flew this weekend in 25-35 mph gusts...loved every second of that rudder!
11-16-2015, 12:07 AM
#1374
I thought the whole reason the AMA had that bill pushed through congress was to protect all modelers who operated according to a CBO from being over regulated by the FAA, To me that should make it illegal to require AMA members to register their aircraft.
11-16-2015, 04:36 AM
#1375
there is a line in that bill that says, paraphrased:
nothing in the bill should be construed as limiting the ability to make and enforce limits on activity which hampers/affects safety in the nas.
that is the opening for registration requirement.
and the language in the bill only applying to the FAA, and not to the DOT itself, or anyone else for that matter..
nothing in the bill should be construed as limiting the ability to make and enforce limits on activity which hampers/affects safety in the nas.
that is the opening for registration requirement.
and the language in the bill only applying to the FAA, and not to the DOT itself, or anyone else for that matter..